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JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:42 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:22 pm

I’m here for the Jeremy post trade grief thread. It’s ok not to be ok man. It took me a minute to recover from the Marjele for Hot Rod Williams trade. And the Marion Shaq Trade.

This one could end up very similar to both of those trades: getting an older, injury-prone center who is in decline—while never knowing what could have been if we stuck with the player we drafted.

I’ll admit I was halfway in favor of the Shaq trade—just because we had never had a great center and I was hoping with our medical staff he could still be somewhat dominant. But I loved Marion, can’t wait for his well-deserved ROH induction!

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:36 pm

That Marion Shaq deal still makes me sad. Matrix should've retired as a Suns lifer.

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:08 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:42 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:22 pm

I’m here for the Jeremy post trade grief thread. It’s ok not to be ok man. It took me a minute to recover from the Marjele for Hot Rod Williams trade. And the Marion Shaq Trade.

This one could end up very similar to both of those trades: getting an older, injury-prone center who is in decline—while never knowing what could have been if we stuck with the player we drafted.

I’ll admit I was halfway in favor of the Shaq trade—just because we had never had a great center and I was hoping with our medical staff he could still be somewhat dominant. But I loved Marion, can’t wait for his well-deserved ROH induction!

Ahhhh... so you just like slightly above average centers, it all makes sense now.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:16 pm

But just to address the arguments...

Ayton doesn't have to be a completely different player to average more than 3 FTA/G (3.5 per 36). But let't stick with 3 FTA/G and zero threes (again, he could shoot a moderate amount with becoming KAT).

If he gets 20 two-point FGA/G at just .570 FG% = 11.4 FG * 2 points = 22.8 points
+ .755 (career FT%) * 3.0 = 2.27 points
= 25.07 ppg

Easy.

Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:23 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:16 pm

But just to address the arguments...

Ayton doesn't have to be a completely different player to average more than 3 FTA/G (3.5 per 36). But let't stick with 3 FTA/G and zero threes (again, he could shoot a moderate amount with becoming KAT).

If he gets 20 two-point FGA/G at just .570 FG% = 11.4 FG * 2 points = 22.8 points
+ .755 (career FT%) * 3.0 = 2.27 points
= 25.07 ppg

Easy.

There was literally zero players that took 20 2 point field goal attempts a game last year. Only 13 players even took 20 shots a game and none of them are Centers. Ayton is not getting 20 shots.

SunsShine wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:37 pm

Jeremy, are you hopeful this trade works out to the benefit of the team or would you want Nurkic to fail and Ayton to succeed to say you told us so (or maybe even a little bit of both )? I was initially against the trade myself, but I have warmed up to it more over the past few days and am hopeful it was the right decision to have made.

Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:35 pm

Vucevic could run some offense…he also averaged 3.8 assists that year…was on an Orlando team without good guards.

I don’t see that for Ayton. Scoot is the focus of that team. He’s going to have the ball. I don’t think he’s going to be advanced enough as a playmaker to get Ayton the shots to get to 20. 15ish shots is what I expect.

Vucevic does seem like a decent player type for Ayton to mold his game after though if he’s not going to become an aggressive player around the rim. Extend the range…develop some high post playmaking. If he does that I could see a 23/12/3 season at some point in his future like Vuc had.

Edit: I did miss Embiid…not sure how..I see him now at the top of my search. Still, Embiid barely got to 20 and he was the MVP. I just don’t see it for Ayton, but maybe Portland will surprise me