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Re: The Democrats
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:51 pm
by Cap
In2ition wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:29 am
Cap wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:26 am
Don’t you mean, “Lawfare!”?
Nope. We don’t whine about Democrats being prosecuted, as long as they get their due process. Trump got his due process through charging and conviction, and will continue to get his due process through sentencing and appeals. Politicians have the same protection we all have, due process.
This is so tone deaf of a post. You guys certainly whine when you think a judge is partisan and accuse them of being corrupt. If the Dems were tried in some hyper partisan court where the Judge and jury were so stacked in favor against them, I know without a doubt in my mind you would be whining about the excessive fine and/or sentence. And, rightfully so. Give me a break with everyone's virtue signaling
Name one time you’ve seen Dems lose their shit like this over a criminal conviction of a Democratic pol.
Even in the case of Bush v. Gore, a nakedly corrupt decision against the Dems, the Dems ultimately accepted the authority of the court. There were no fake Electors, no violence on January 6, and no promise of revenge against their enemies.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:13 pm
by In2ition
Cap wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:51 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:29 am
Cap wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:26 am
Don’t you mean, “Lawfare!”?
Nope. We don’t whine about Democrats being prosecuted, as long as they get their due process. Trump got his due process through charging and conviction, and will continue to get his due process through sentencing and appeals. Politicians have the same protection we all have, due process.
This is so tone deaf of a post. You guys certainly whine when you think a judge is partisan and accuse them of being corrupt. If the Dems were tried in some hyper partisan court where the Judge and jury were so stacked in favor against them, I know without a doubt in my mind you would be whining about the excessive fine and/or sentence. And, rightfully so. Give me a break with everyone's virtue signaling
Name one time you’ve seen Dems lose their shit like this over a criminal conviction of a Democratic pol.
Even in the case of Bush v. Gore, a nakedly corrupt decision against the Dems, the Dems ultimately accepted the authority of the court. There were no fake Electors, no violence on January 6, and no promise of revenge against their enemies.
There have been many a Dem that's claimed fraud for years, although I'm not going to say it's exactly the same. "Alternative Electors" has been used many times by Dems over the years. We've talked about this before.
Now, if you don't think what Biden has done, by weaponizing the DOJ, the BAR, the State AGs, and FBI around the country against any whistleblower or Conservative is Totalitarian BS, then the best we have is to agree to disagree on this subject.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:52 pm
by Nodack
I will agree that democracy is shutting down Maga’s anti-democracy crusade quite well.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:29 am
by In2ition
Or, it's entirely about democracy and the Constitution, and has nothing to do with anti-democracy.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:06 am
by Nodack
The Constitution doesn’t say anywhere in it about trying to overturn an election if you don’t like the results. It doesn’t say to trash all US institutions all the time and praise your enemies. Maybe you guys love the Constitution and Democracy and just like to show it by attacking it 24/7.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:31 am
by In2ition
There are components available to challenge electors, available to Congress, to send back electors to the States to investigate them when problems are brought up. No one was saying to "overturn an election", those are your words to build a narrative. No one is saying to do something that's not Constitutional or "attacking Democracy", that's nonsense wording used by the left.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:40 am
by Nodack
You live in an alternate universe.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:53 am
by Mori Chu
I rest easy knowing that nobody is going to defend 1/6 historically speaking. The idea that 1/6 was no big deal, or was okay, or was not an attempted insurrection / overthrow of an election, won't be how history remembers it.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:27 am
by In2ition
Because, of course.
Woman dies after carjacker steals SUV at DC hospital, crashes with her still inside: police
Someone reported their parent was inside an SUV stolen near MedStar Washington Hospital Center. The carjacker then crashed the stolen vehicle into a building at Judiciary Square, police said
By Aimee Cho, News4 Reporter, Sophia Barnes and NBC Washington Staff • Published June 3, 2024 • Updated on June 4, 2024 at 12:52 pm
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/loca ... y/3631445/
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:43 am
by In2ition
Totally not "lAwFaRe" derp.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 2:57 pm
by In2ition
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:38 pm
Senator Fetterman and his wife have been hospitalized after a car crash. Sounds like they'll be fine?
Always the trend setter. I like the new fit, Fett.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:31 am
by In2ition
Mori, what do you think about your former employer and them dismantling their censorship business?
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:45 am
by Nodack
They are researching election integrity and not saying what we want them to say? Well let’s use the power of the US government and shut them down.
The shutdown comes amid a sustained and increasingly successful campaign among Republicans to discredit research institutions and discourage academics from investigating political speech and influence campaigns.
Republican House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan and his Orwellian “Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government” have subpoenaed documents at Stanford and other universities, selectively leaked fragments of them to friendly conservative outlets, and misrepresented their contents in public statements.
And in an actual weaponization of government, Jordan’s committee has included students — both undergraduates and graduates — in its subpoena requests, publishing their names and putting them at risk of threats or worse.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:58 am
by In2ition
No one wants to put anyone in danger, and I am unaware of these claims.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:06 am
by Nodack
No one?
What is the purpose of posting the names of people you are attacking online?
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:08 am
by In2ition
I'm sure there are some people, like anything. I haven't seen their names posted online. Have you?
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:17 pm
by Nodack
Jim Jordan’s crew published the names. It says that in the article you posted. They published them why? So they would be attacked. There is no other reason.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:38 pm
by In2ition
I think it also said they were to be subpoenaed.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:25 pm
by Nodack
Oh, well then if they might be subpoenaed you might as well give out their address and phone number.
Re: The Democrats
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:44 am
by Mori Chu
In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:31 am
Mori, what do you think about your former employer and them dismantling their censorship business?
I had never heard of the Stanford Internet Observatory. It sounds like their mission was to help identify misinformation on the internet. There is a lot of that. It might have been a helpful mission. I don't know whether they were helping make the internet better or not, so I am not sure how to react to the news that they are shutting down.
It concerns me that the people working there were being personally targeted for harassment and threats. This article makes it sound like Republicans and MAGAs basically intimidated them into shutting down by threats of violence. Are you happy or proud about this, In2?
I am curious, what exactly did this Stanford group "censor"? It sounds like they just did studies? Did they have some sort of power to remove things from the internet?
But in the past year, the work of researchers at SIO and other institutions studying viral falsehoods and their impact on democracy have become the focus of scrutiny by Republicans in the courts and in Congress, who allege their work amounts to censorship.
The Election Integrity Partnership, a joint project SIO ran with the University of Washington to track false and misleading information about the 2020 and 2022 elections, became the focus of conspiracy theories that it was a front for the government to suppress speech it didn't like. (The EIP's website was updated in recent weeks to say it "will not be working on the 2024 or future elections.")
As a result, researchers at Stanford, UW, and other institutions have been hit with lawsuits, flooded with subpoenas and document requests, and subjected to online harassment and attacks.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/14/g-s1-457 ... al-attacks