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Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 9:11 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 12:19 am

Does Gambo still get insider info? I haven't paid attention to him..ever?

That’s interesting and ya it’s definitely tampering or borderline tampering. I don’t exactly know how it all works, but you know Ayton’s agent has been putting out feelers to see who might sign his guy.

I don’t know what the specific rules are, can Ayton’s agent talk to teams? The bigger problem would be how do we communicate who we want them to draft?

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:10 am

He’s only got 1 year left on his deal…I’m not sure how we get Minny to bite though unless they just want to dump him. We can get there pretty easy as we also have 31 million in expiring contracts, but don’t really think Crowder/Saric/Payne/Craig would be all that exciting to Minny. Maybe Crowder makes sense, but we’d have to include draft capital and I’m not doing that for D-Lo

The recent Williams dynamic may simply echo consistent word—dating back to the trade deadline—from league sources with knowledge of the situation that Ayton is not particularly a favorite of Phoenix's head coach. Williams has purportedly griped about Ayton's waning focus, which some people contacted by B/R said has often been reflected by the ebbs of his playing time.

There's a stronger sense among league figures that Phoenix brass simply does not view Ayton, or any center, as a player worth greater than $30 million annually.

If the Suns let Ayton walk, league officials expect Phoenix to try and engineer a sign-and-trade for some frontcourt help. That would require tricky cap calculations and possibly a third team.

Perhaps Portland, where free-agent center Jusuf Nurkic is expected to command far less than Ayton on the open market, could be a trade partner. Detroit's longstanding willingness to discuss Jerami Grant could provide a window for Phoenix to nab a versatile frontcourt defender in return.

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:23 am

I get the reality of the situation, but some of these rumors are just...ugh. We weren't good enough to win a title this year, so the idea is we get older and worse for Robert Sarver's benefit? No thanks. I'd rather keep Ayton at a 4 year max and then trade him when the right opportunity presents itself.

(I'm referring to Jake Fischer's article today which mentions Nurkic and Capela as returns).

ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:26 am

The recent Williams dynamic may simply echo consistent word—dating back to the trade deadline—from league sources with knowledge of the situation that Ayton is not particularly a favorite of Phoenix's head coach. Williams has purportedly griped about Ayton's waning focus, which some people contacted by B/R said has often been reflected by the ebbs of his playing time.

There's a stronger sense among league figures that Phoenix brass simply does not view Ayton, or any center, as a player worth greater than $30 million annually.

If the Suns let Ayton walk, league officials expect Phoenix to try and engineer a sign-and-trade for some frontcourt help. That would require tricky cap calculations and possibly a third team.

Perhaps Portland, where free-agent center Jusuf Nurkic is expected to command far less than Ayton on the open market, could be a trade partner. Detroit's longstanding willingness to discuss Jerami Grant could provide a window for Phoenix to nab a versatile frontcourt defender in return.

If the Suns could sign Biyombo midseason to just a veteran minimum deal and Chris Paul could steer him into a serviceable rotation player, could Paul not have the same success with a big man far less costly than Ayton's next deal?

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:19 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:10 am

He’s only got 1 year left on his deal…I’m not sure how we get Minny to bite though unless they just want to dump him. We can get there pretty easy as we also have 31 million in expiring contracts, but don’t really think Crowder/Saric/Payne/Craig would be all that exciting to Minny. Maybe Crowder makes sense, but we’d have to include draft capital and I’m not doing that for D-Lo

The only thing that would make it look decent is that you would get all the friends together on one team, and DLo off the bench as a scoring option would be 5x better than Payne, imo.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:55 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:19 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:10 am

He’s only got 1 year left on his deal…I’m not sure how we get Minny to bite though unless they just want to dump him. We can get there pretty easy as we also have 31 million in expiring contracts, but don’t really think Crowder/Saric/Payne/Craig would be all that exciting to Minny. Maybe Crowder makes sense, but we’d have to include draft capital and I’m not doing that for D-Lo

The only thing that would make it look decent is that you would get all the friends together on one team, and DLo off the bench as a scoring option would be 5x better than Payne, imo.

Ya if you get KAT it’s worth it…was also thinking about it without KAT involved…that would be a no for me

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:54 am

ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 10:26 am

The recent Williams dynamic may simply echo consistent word—dating back to the trade deadline—from league sources with knowledge of the situation that Ayton is not particularly a favorite of Phoenix's head coach. Williams has purportedly griped about Ayton's waning focus, which some people contacted by B/R said has often been reflected by the ebbs of his playing time.

There's a stronger sense among league figures that Phoenix brass simply does not view Ayton, or any center, as a player worth greater than $30 million annually.

If the Suns let Ayton walk, league officials expect Phoenix to try and engineer a sign-and-trade for some frontcourt help. That would require tricky cap calculations and possibly a third team.

Perhaps Portland, where free-agent center Jusuf Nurkic is expected to command far less than Ayton on the open market, could be a trade partner. Detroit's longstanding willingness to discuss Jerami Grant could provide a window for Phoenix to nab a versatile frontcourt defender in return.

See that's the problem with the Suns' front office. They're literally insane. So much for everyone's dreams of landing KAT.

Also, do they not understand there's going to be a jump in the salary cap? Over $30M will be nothing.

And this argument (likely coming from the team) is just so shortsighted it's almost hilarious:

If the Suns could sign Biyombo midseason to just a veteran minimum deal and Chris Paul could steer him into a serviceable rotation player, could Paul not have the same success with a big man far less costly than Ayton's next deal?

Yeah, maybe Paul could...for what? Another 0.5 years? Lol.

Our 2 biggest problems haunting us for our future (and that destroyed us this postseason):

1. Monty's love for Chris.

2. Monty's hate for Deandre.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 11:28 am

He wrote that it was the sense among league officials....doesn't make it 100% true. Let's take some of these reports with a grain of salt for now. I do tend to believe the Suns don't think DA is a "sicko" the way Book, Mikal, Cam are (in terms of young players on the roster).

And to be fair, how many $30mil centers are leading their team in the playoffs right now? Bam? And he's hardly leading that team, but is also more of a dynamic player on both sides of the ball.

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 12:34 pm

The main culprit here is Ayton’s maturity and consistency for a player who wants to be maxxed. History tells us he’s unlikely to change. Even people like Kyrie can reflect back and recognize how their personality cost championships. What he isn’t aware of that his current behavior continues to cost the teams he plays for.
Suns can only have so many max players, to win a championship Ayton may not be that guy. I’m ok with flipping him for a good Player + a lottery pick (Turner and sixth / Simons and 7th). I’m also ok with signing him to trade later.

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 12:36 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 12:34 pm

The main culprit here is Ayton’s maturity and consistency for a player who wants to be maxxed. History tells us he’s unlikely to change. Even people like Kyrie can reflect back and recognize how their personality cost championships. What he isn’t aware of that his current behavior continues to cost the teams he plays for.
Suns can only have so many max players, to win a championship Ayton may not be that guy. I’m ok with flipping him for a good Player + a lottery pick (Turner and sixth / Simons and 7th). I’m also ok with signing him to trade later.

If he would have stepped up to just kind of slow down Giannis last year, he would already be maxed. I am sure he doesn't see that.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 11:22 am

Fischer didn't just make up "any center"--that's what his sources are saying.