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Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:51 pm

It’s just a little overkill. It would obviously work but you wouldn’t be able to get full value out of all 4. 2 would end up being shooters in the corner every play.

You could get someone much cheaper to play that role and also add depth and defense for the same price.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:07 am

I can't see Smart being part of discussions. He's so ingrained in the Cs identity. He's like their Haslem. Horford is kind of like that too but less so.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:11 am

ShelC wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:07 am

I can't see Smart being part of discussions. He's so ingrained in the Cs identity. He's like their Haslem. Horford is kind of like that too but less so.

I swear as soon as I typed this out, I almost knew Smart would get traded.

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:23 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:51 pm

It’s just a little overkill. It would obviously work but you wouldn’t be able to get full value out of all 4. 2 would end up being shooters in the corner every play.

So???!!!?? But also they all can’t play all 48 mins so would be easy to mix their sets, you’d be able run 2 of them at all times and come crunch time, you would have 4 elite 3 level scorers. Good luck.

You could get someone much cheaper to play that role and also add depth and defense for the same price.

Can we???? Right now, unless we get a great deal for Ayton, we’re just gonna have vet min players to fill out our roster, I’m sure we are gonna get solid players but they are also vet min players for a reason. The Ayton trade market is looking pretty bare so far, sure there is still time but it’s looking very likely that he’s staying, and I really have no idea what his trade value will be going forward, it’s very possible come trade deadline his value is even worse than it is now. My original, obviously pipe dream, 3 team trade idea basically was trading Ayton and Payne for Damien Lillard, if y’all would turn that down, you’re bonkers.


This is all silly tho. We ain’t getting Dame.


…no matter how are hard I speak it into existence.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:32 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:23 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:51 pm

It’s just a little overkill. It would obviously work but you wouldn’t be able to get full value out of all 4. 2 would end up being shooters in the corner every play.

So???!!!?? But also they all can’t play all 48 mins so would be easy to mix their sets, you’d be able run 2 of them at all times and come crunch time, you would have 4 elite 3 level scorers. Good luck.

You could get someone much cheaper to play that role and also add depth and defense for the same price.

Can we???? Right now, unless we get a great deal for Ayton, we’re just gonna have vet min players to fill out our roster, I’m sure we are gonna get solid players but they are also vet min players for a reason. The Ayton trade market is looking pretty bare so far, sure there is still time but it’s looking very likely that he’s staying, and I really have no idea what his trade value will be going forward, it’s very possible come trade deadline his value is even worse than it is now. My original, obviously pipe dream, 3 team trade idea basically was trading Ayton and Payne for Damien Lillard, if y’all would turn that down, you’re bonkers.


This is all silly tho. We ain’t getting Dame.


…no matter how are hard I speak it into existence.

I guess my point is if you can get Dame with Ayton, you can get depth and defense. If that was literally the only offer, sure I’d take it, but like you said, there’s no way that’s being offered.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:32 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:23 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:51 pm

It’s just a little overkill. It would obviously work but you wouldn’t be able to get full value out of all 4. 2 would end up being shooters in the corner every play.

So???!!!?? But also they all can’t play all 48 mins so would be easy to mix their sets, you’d be able run 2 of them at all times and come crunch time, you would have 4 elite 3 level scorers. Good luck.

You could get someone much cheaper to play that role and also add depth and defense for the same price.

Can we???? Right now, unless we get a great deal for Ayton, we’re just gonna have vet min players to fill out our roster, I’m sure we are gonna get solid players but they are also vet min players for a reason. The Ayton trade market is looking pretty bare so far, sure there is still time but it’s looking very likely that he’s staying, and I really have no idea what his trade value will be going forward, it’s very possible come trade deadline his value is even worse than it is now. My original, obviously pipe dream, 3 team trade idea basically was trading Ayton and Payne for Damien Lillard, if y’all would turn that down, you’re bonkers.


This is all silly tho. We ain’t getting Dame.


…no matter how are hard I speak it into existence.

I guess my point is if you can get Dame with Ayton, you can get depth and defense. If that was literally the only offer, sure I’d take it, but like you said, there’s no way that’s being offered.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:19 am

You think I’m advocating for trading Ayton?

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:47 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:19 am

You think I’m advocating for trading Ayton?

Right? I’m the one making ridiculous Ayton trade scenarios

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:46 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:32 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:23 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:51 pm

It’s just a little overkill. It would obviously work but you wouldn’t be able to get full value out of all 4. 2 would end up being shooters in the corner every play.

So???!!!?? But also they all can’t play all 48 mins so would be easy to mix their sets, you’d be able run 2 of them at all times and come crunch time, you would have 4 elite 3 level scorers. Good luck.

You could get someone much cheaper to play that role and also add depth and defense for the same price.

Can we???? Right now, unless we get a great deal for Ayton, we’re just gonna have vet min players to fill out our roster, I’m sure we are gonna get solid players but they are also vet min players for a reason. The Ayton trade market is looking pretty bare so far, sure there is still time but it’s looking very likely that he’s staying, and I really have no idea what his trade value will be going forward, it’s very possible come trade deadline his value is even worse than it is now. My original, obviously pipe dream, 3 team trade idea basically was trading Ayton and Payne for Damien Lillard, if y’all would turn that down, you’re bonkers.


This is all silly tho. We ain’t getting Dame.


…no matter how are hard I speak it into existence.

I guess my point is if you can get Dame with Ayton, you can get depth and defense. If that was literally the only offer, sure I’d take it, but like you said, there’s no way that’s being offered.

To be fair, my pipe dream was little slightly more nuanced than Dame for Ayton lol, it was Dame asking/demanding his way to Phoenix and the assets from a 3rd team for Ayton going to Portland with Portland agreeing to help their franchise best player and because he never ran from the grind

I mean, in that scenario, while crazy, definitely isn’t zero precent.

…prolly pretty close but it’s not zero, dammit!!!


Anyways it’s just my offseason 2K pipe dream. Can’t I have dreams??!

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:34 am

Starts with the 24-25 season and you have to be over the 2nd apron twice to get that penalty. So the way I see it is if we are over in 24-25 and 25-26, our 2026 1st will move to the end of the 1st round.

Though I don’t know how that works with swaps. I know if you’ve traded the pick it doesn’t impact it…but in case of a swap, do they move us to the end of the 1st before or after the other team decides to swap? Doesn’t matter much for us as we’d pick last regardless, but might matter for Washington/Brooklyn.

I also don’t know if they just start moving picks in 2024-25 or if they start counting the penalty in 2024-25. If 23-24 counts towards the 2 years over the 2nd apron, we could have our 2025 pick moved…except we traded that one so it doesn’t matter.

So long story short…our 2024 pick won’t be impacted and we should probably expect to pick at the end of the 1st round in 2026.