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Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:48 pm
by JeremyG
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:32 pm
And...if it's just the Suns putting up smoke when there's no real fire, then keep him as an expiring for next year and trade him based on that status. I think that their trade leverage increases after the waive deadline for this year. Gotta play hardball.
I agree. Perhaps they are only going to waive him if they know he wants to re-sign.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:57 pm
by Superbone
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:30 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:34 pm
Of course they won't, taking Ayton would be doing the Suns a favor.
As much as I ended up despising McDonough's assets-oriented approach, I think that the Suns need to be smarter about trades than taking other teams' pu pu platters in return for the likes of an Ayton. There's still a lot of folks who think that he could be rehabilitated -- and I'm one of them. You just need one of them to bite, otherwise, no deal.
Same for Chris Paul. If chatter is to be believed, a lot of teams want him. If you want to trade one player for a bunch of role players, it should be CP3. Not Ayton. Need some kind of star power or a high draft pick for him.
I agree with needing to get good value in return or no deal. I hope that Ayton can be salvaged but I don't have much confidence in it. I'd love to be surprised.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:45 am
by specialsauce
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:48 pm
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:32 pm
And...if it's just the Suns putting up smoke when there's no real fire, then keep him as an expiring for next year and trade him based on that status. I think that their trade leverage increases after the waive deadline for this year. Gotta play hardball.
I agree. Perhaps they are only going to waive him if they know he wants to re-sign.
Resigning CP3 is not a good decision. This team needs depth in a bad way and our only assets are CP and DAs contracts.
We badly need a shooting, fast tempo, defending PG.
Keeping CP is essentially going to nail us as a first or second round exit unless they get real lucky with the TPMLE
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:06 am
by V1king8687
Honestly the PG I'd like to end up with is Marcus Smart. The Celtics are going to change something just like we are. Idk how interested they would be in Paul but having a floor general like him could help their offense.. Smart would give us that griddy toughness that we need. Under Vogel, he'd be an excellent pick up.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:33 am
by Mori Chu
V1king8687 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:06 am
Honestly the PG I'd like to end up with is Marcus Smart. The Celtics are going to change something just like we are. Idk how interested they would be in Paul but having a floor general like him could help their offense.. Smart would give us that griddy toughness that we need. Under Vogel, he'd be an excellent pick up.
Welcome to the site, V1king!
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:51 am
by Charlie Smithy!
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:33 am
V1king8687 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:06 am
Honestly the PG I'd like to end up with is Marcus Smart. The Celtics are going to change something just like we are. Idk how interested they would be in Paul but having a floor general like him could help their offense.. Smart would give us that griddy toughness that we need. Under Vogel, he'd be an excellent pick up.
Welcome to the site, V1king!
Do you think if I call him "Viking" instead that he'll mind?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:20 pm
by Split T
I would love Smart…I’m just not sure I see that happening. Brogdon would seem more attainable to me
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:15 pm
by specialsauce
Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:51 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:33 am
V1king8687 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:06 am
Honestly the PG I'd like to end up with is Marcus Smart. The Celtics are going to change something just like we are. Idk how interested they would be in Paul but having a floor general like him could help their offense.. Smart would give us that griddy toughness that we need. Under Vogel, he'd be an excellent pick up.
Welcome to the site, V1king!
Do you think if I call him "Viking" instead that he'll mind?
His first takes a good one, off to a good start.
Do you also think Kelly Oubre resembles everything that is wrong with todays society?
Do you hate Mike James?
Is Luka Doncic a bitch?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:16 pm
by specialsauce
Split T wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:20 pm
I would love Smart…I’m just not sure I see that happening. Brogdon would seem more attainable to me
I would happily trade Paul for Brogdon.
My hope was DA for Smart and Williams
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:53 pm
by carey
Could someone explain what happened with Brogdon? He's clearly a good player but he was abysmal in the ECF. He shot 30% from the field and 16% from 3. Got to the point where Boston barely played him by game 5 and 6. I know there was some kind of injury but I don't remember it being bad because it was game time decision stuff.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:28 pm
by Split T
Probably more hurt than they let on
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:49 pm
by Superbone
I hope so if we're pursuing him. Just are luck to get him past his prime.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:49 pm
by specialsauce
Eddie Gonzo throwing out CP3 for Kuminga and Poole lol. Who says no
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:28 pm
by Split T
I guess if GS just wants off Poole. I’d do that
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:14 pm
by specialsauce
I cannot stand Poole. His attitude is ridiculous and his IQ is so low.
But I don’t hate it. He’ll shoot us into some games. It’s not the WORST idea. His contract is God awful though.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:19 pm
by Split T
Depends on the Poole you get. If you get 2021-22 Poole it’s a steal. If you get 22-23 Poole then it’s not so great. Probably somewhere between.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:21 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I can understand thinking he's overpaid because he's subpar at so many things besides scoring, but I think there's quite a bit of talent to be salvaged there after all the drama in the Bay this past season. Coincidentally, it's the perspective some people have about Ayton in Phoenix.
I honestly wouldn't really want to have either guy under their current contract.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:58 pm
by ShelC
Poole's got homerun ability for sure and I'd bet on the possibility of being able to move him later on. Might be similar to the Ws using DAR as a stopgap and moving him for Wiggins who turned out to be a better fit and key piece for them.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:31 pm
by TOO
Am I the only one that doesn't want anything to do with guys that take 35 footers for no reason?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:55 pm
by JeremyG
I can't stand Poole either. But if you can get him for Paul you might have to do it.
