Game Day: Pistons (11-17) @ Suns (14-12), Sat 12/21/24

[ShelC]

Someone has footage of KD and Bud arguing in the 3rd?

I just can't get why they just don't watch video of what was going right in the first 8 games and go from there. We are playing Vogel ball and I'm really inclined to think Vogel was not the problem. As the lack of a PG was not either.

I feel dejected right now.

The first 8 games were an aberration.

[Gladiator]

You know things are going well when the game day threads turn into trade chatter and speculation….
This team just kills your joy for basketball. Even the wins feel like pulling teeth. A good team is better than the sum of its parts, and we are way worse than the sum of ours and a ways off being a good team. It’s pretty brutal viewing of late.

[ShelC]

Postgame Quotes and Videos

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[ShelC]

Not much to add after what everyone else has said. We're not a good team, it's the same as last year. There are no hints of improvement where we can say, "at least we did this well tonight". We play the same way, make the same mistakes and then say the obvious things after each game.

[LazarusLong]

Watching a Suns game anymore is a frustrating waste of time.

[LazarusLong]

No faith in this team right now.

Pistons are young, athletic and play hard. Those teams give us problems. Cunningham and Ivey are both problems. We won't be able to contain both. Harris could hit three or four 3s while KD just looks at him. Duren is too athletic for Nurk.

Spot on observation for this game...

[Mori Chu]

Allen for Beef Stew.

This team is too small, weak, and soft, so trades like Allen for Beef Stew are the kind I find most intriguing. Small for big. Soft for strong. I like Allen (probably more rugged than most of our guys) but he isn't physical or a plus defender, so I like this kind of move and the thinking behind it.

[specialsauce]

Allen for Beef Stew.

This team is too small, weak, and soft, so trades like Allen for Beef Stew are the kind I find most intriguing. Small for big. Soft for strong. I like Allen (probably more rugged than most of our guys) but he isn't physical or a plus defender, so I like this kind of move and the thinking behind it.

I just want guys with personality. This team is so fucking bland. None of them are talking to each other during timeouts. There's no characters on this team. A bunch of Jake from state farms

[ShelC]

Allen for Beef Stew.

This team is too small, weak, and soft, so trades like Allen for Beef Stew are the kind I find most intriguing. Small for big. Soft for strong. I like Allen (probably more rugged than most of our guys) but he isn't physical or a plus defender, so I like this kind of move and the thinking behind it.

I just want guys with personality. This team is so fucking bland. None of them are talking to each other during timeouts. There's no characters on this team. A bunch of Jake from state farms

Remember when Book and CP or Mikal and Cam used to answer questions together after the game? Haven't seen that from these guys hardly ever, if at all.

[Superbone]

Someone has footage of KD and Bud arguing in the 3rd?

I just can't get why they just don't watch video of what was going right in the first 8 games and go from there. We are playing Vogel ball and I'm really inclined to think Vogel was not the problem. As the lack of a PG was not either.

I feel dejected right now.

The first 8 games were an aberration.

Apparently so. I was feeling pretty good about our team at the time. And now I think they're just going through the motions. Something is wrong with this team. It is so disappointing especially after what we had and now how much money is being spent for this product we're now seeing on the court.

[Superbone]

It feels like this team always has to take a punch before they start giving full effort and it's usually too late by the time they do. They don't have any killer instinct or desire to take it to a team from start to finish.

[Superbone]

You know things are going well when the game day threads turn into trade chatter and speculation….
This team just kills your joy for basketball. Even the wins feel like pulling teeth. A good team is better than the sum of its parts, and we are way worse than the sum of ours and a ways off being a good team. It’s pretty brutal viewing of late.

That's a good way to put it. It is so disappointing to watch.

[ShelC]

It feels like this team always has to take a punch before they start giving full effort and it's usually too late by the time they do. They don't have any killer instinct or desire to take it to a team from start to finish.

I think there are a bunch of reasons for that, the main one being a lack of leadership. Monty and CP had the team focused and ready for every single game. That's not happening here, not from Bud and certainly not from KD despite all the talk of his leadership.

I also think this is a group of established vets who have been thrown together and just don't feel like they have as much to prove. And the more things spiral, the more it becomes just another lost season. They're paid, they've been thru it before, they're used to the trade rumors and coaches fired. It's all just whatever.

[TOO]

I think it's very telling that they go and get 2 PGs who don't turn the ball over and yet the same awful lazy passes and TOs plague them just like last year. We know who is at fault for this, it's the big names. KD is tremendous, but he alone had 8 TOs last night, that's unacceptable. He's gotta stop trying to do it all.

[Superbone]

Watching a Suns game anymore is a frustrating waste of time.

I keep wondering why I put myself through it. It's tough being a die hard fan. I still have optimism to start a game and then it gets crushed seemingly every time out this season after that nice start.

[Superbone]

Allen for Beef Stew.

This team is too small, weak, and soft, so trades like Allen for Beef Stew are the kind I find most intriguing. Small for big. Soft for strong. I like Allen (probably more rugged than most of our guys) but he isn't physical or a plus defender, so I like this kind of move and the thinking behind it.

I just want guys with personality. This team is so fucking bland. None of them are talking to each other during timeouts. There's no characters on this team. A bunch of Jake from state farms

Yep, even Allen has lost his edge. He went from bad boy to altar boy since he's been here.

[Superbone]

I think it's very telling that they go and get 2 PGs who don't turn the ball over and yet the same awful lazy passes and TOs plague them just like last year. We know who is at fault for this, it's the big names. KD is tremendous, but he alone had 8 TOs last night, that's unacceptable. He's gotta stop trying to do it all.

Yeah, obviously he has to stop handling the ball but nobody has the cajones to tell him. Either that or he refuses to listen. Probably both.

[SunsShine]

We are a glutton for punishment. I know I continue to hope maybe the next game is when they finally wake up and play with a sense of urgency for a full 48 minutes, only to be more disappointed than I was when I tuned in for their previous game. They just are who they are at this point and they desperately need a major shakeup.

[Superbone]

We are a glutton for punishment. I know I continue to hope maybe the next game is when they finally wake up and play with a sense of urgency for a full 48 minutes, only to be more disappointed than I was when I tuned in for their previous game. They just are who they are at this point and they desperately need a major shakeup.

Agreed. It's so frustrating that we finally have an owner with deep pockets and a deep desire to win and yet this is the product on the floor. Shake. It. Up. This is not working. There is something to be said for having patience but everybody can see that this team just isn't going to work. It's hard to pinpoint it because so much is lacking. Lack of athleticism. Sloppy with the ball for way too many turnovers. Lack of killer instinct. Horrible defensively. We can score and that's about it. But nobody is going to win with this many turnovers and this horrible of a defense.

[SunsRIt]

We are a glutton for punishment. I know I continue to hope maybe the next game is when they finally wake up and play with a sense of urgency for a full 48 minutes, only to be more disappointed than I was when I tuned in for their previous game. They just are who they are at this point and they desperately need a major shakeup.

Feels like I'm watching a team of Ayton's. That's how I felt about Ayton every game. It never changed. Overall I'm just disgusted by this "team" and becoming very apathetic.