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Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:32 am
by ShelC
Problem is we're going to let him dictate where he wants to go which will limit options and the return on him. Should've pulled a Luka and let him know about a trade after it was finalized.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:38 am
by Split T
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:52 am
by Superbone
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:32 am
Problem is we're going to let him dictate where he wants to go which will limit options and the return on him. Should've pulled a Luka and let him know about a trade after it was finalized.
I think the real problem is that the team that acquires him wants assurances that he'll resign with them.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:59 am
by Kryptonic
pickle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:24 am
So try to get both Thompson twins?
No…. No more twins, unless it’s cam and Mikal

Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:13 am
by The Bobster
Kareem got traded, Wilt got traded. Oscar got traded, Dr. J got traded, Shaq got traded....... Devin Booker can be traded too.
You cannot afford the luxury of falling in love with your players when the best thing in the long run is to move them and rebuild. Booker by himself does not move the needle.
First, I assume Durant will probably be moved in the offseason. They should also be looking to clear as much cap space as possible in 2027 when Beal's contract expires. Booker will be 31 and making $61 million, basically the max for a borderline All-Star, which is not what you want to start building around for long-term success.
The Suns need to find a way to acquire young, cheap talent. Either by acquiring draft choices and drafting well or by trading for players who are still on their rookie contracts. As we've seen, collecting high-priced veterans is a great way to put yourself in salary cap hell.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:25 am
by Kryptonic
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:13 am
Kareem got traded, Wilt got traded. Oscar got traded, Dr. J got traded, Shaq got traded....... Devin Booker can be traded too.
You cannot afford the luxury of falling in love with your players when the best thing in the long run is to move them and rebuild. Booker by himself does not move the needle.
Fisrt, I assume Durant will probably be moved in the offseason. They should also be looking to clear as much cap space as possible in 2027 when Beal's contract expires. Booker will be 31 and making $61 million, basicall the max for a borderline All-Star, which is not what you want to start building around for long-term success.
The Suns need to find a way to acquire young, cheap talen. Eith by acquiring draft choices and drafting well or by trading for players who are still on their rookie contracts. As we've seen, collecting high-priced veterans is a great way to put yourself in salary cap hell.
Totally agree…. I really think it’s fiscally the only way out of this mess we’re in. Beal won’t be the worst to rebuild around and like bone has sad… he’s been a good soldier. We can’t keep trading draft picks to fix our mistakes. It’s time to cut the cord and rip it off like a bandaid.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
by JeremyG
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:55 pm
by TOO
Devin Booker was a better player when Durant wasn't a Sun. Trade KD, see what happens, trade Booker if you don't trend up. Seems easy to me.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:51 pm
by Mori Chu
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
The Suns built a team around Booker that was 2 wins shy of a title. Why are we ruined until he retires?
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:53 pm
by TOO
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:51 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
The Suns built a team around Booker that was 2 wins shy of a title. Why are we ruined until he retires?
Because Jeremy thinks Booker had Ayton traded.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:16 pm
by Superbone
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:53 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:51 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
The Suns built a team around Booker that was 2 wins shy of a title. Why are we ruined until he retires?
Because Jeremy thinks Booker had Ayton traded.
It's all Book's fault! Ayton was nothing but a professional. Two words: Valley Oop. That is all.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:53 pm
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:51 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
The Suns built a team around Booker that was 2 wins shy of a title. Why are we ruined until he retires?
And he couldn’t win it, could he? That was the closest we will ever get with him.
Because he has regressed post-CP3 and he is not an alpha-leader who can take you to a championship. He isn’t even an All-Star anymore.
It’s stunning how this isn’t obvious to everyone. Book=no title. Certainly not with him making the SuperMax.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:00 pm
by Cap
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:26 am
Booker is not getting traded the season after he set the franchise scoring record, sorry.
Davis was the record holder when we traded him, and that was a time when stars moved a lot less.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:02 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:00 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:26 am
Booker is not getting traded
the season after he set the franchise scoring record, sorry.
Davis was the record holder when we traded him, and that was a time when stars moved a lot less.
Late in his career.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:03 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:53 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:51 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
The Suns built a team around Booker that was 2 wins shy of a title. Why are we ruined until he retires?
And he couldn’t win it, could he? That was the closest we will ever get with him.
Because he has regressed post-CP3 and he is not an alpha-leader who can take you to a championship. He isn’t even an All-Star anymore.
It’s stunning how this isn’t obvious to everyone. Book=no title. Certainly not with him making the SuperMax.
Barkley also = no title. Stockton/Malone = no title. Doesn't mean anything. Basketball is a team sport.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:04 pm
by ShelC
People were saying the same thing about post-Shaq Kobe.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:07 pm
by Cap
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:04 pm
People were saying the same thing about post-Shaq Kobe.
Kobe was a perennial MVP candidate. Hardly the same.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:22 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:03 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:53 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:51 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
The Suns built a team around Booker that was 2 wins shy of a title. Why are we ruined until he retires?
And he couldn’t win it, could he? That was the closest we will ever get with him.
Because he has regressed post-CP3 and he is not an alpha-leader who can take you to a championship. He isn’t even an All-Star anymore.
It’s stunning how this isn’t obvious to everyone. Book=no title. Certainly not with him making the SuperMax.
Barkley also = no title. Stockton/Malone = no title. Doesn't mean anything. Basketball is a team sport.
And your point is…? My point was keeping Book=no title. And I want a title.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:56 pm
by JeremyG
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:53 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:51 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:44 pm
1. We have to trade Booker.
2. We will refuse to trade Booker.
3. We will be ruined until Booker retires.
The Suns built a team around Booker that was 2 wins shy of a title. Why are we ruined until he retires?
Because Jeremy thinks Booker had Ayton traded.
I never liked Booker, even before Ayton. He’s always come across to me as a smug, arrogant person who pretends to be humble and thinks he is better than he is. Now he’s just an entitled “unbothered” brat.
Re: Off-season Plans
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:01 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Unironically criticize Booker for being two wins short in the Finals while ignoring Ayton's inability to contain or even match his opponent who won Finals MVP.