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This straight bullshit. I don’t want to trade just to fuckin trade KD. I’d rather just let KD’s contract expire than to take a bullshit deal. You want to get out of the 2nd apron? Then 54 million off the books will do that. If we can’t get a good enough deal now then I’m fine playing this out again at the deadline. KD ain’t toxic like that. He’ll be a good soldier for a season at least. I don’t see why we have to accept a bullshit deal right now.

I like the Raptors offer. I think I'd take RJ over Quickley. I think if you can get Beal to embrace a pass-first PG role, that could work? I also like the T-Wolves offer. I tell the Spurs and Rockets that if you're not at the table with either the #2 (or Castle) or our picks, respectively, we don't have anything to talk about.

Absolutely not to RJ Barrett.

A wing that shoots in the 60's from the line is trash. Hes not a good shooter, and the FT line % indicates he is an extreme long shot to ever become a good shooter.

I always use FT% as an indicator of where someone is in their potential for perimeter shooting.

Show me a player who sucks at the line but shoots above average from the perimeter

wpmiller42 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:02 am

I like the Raptors offer. I think I'd take RJ over Quickley. I think if you can get Beal to embrace a pass-first PG role, that could work? I also like the T-Wolves offer. I tell the Spurs and Rockets that if you're not at the table with either the #2 (or Castle) or our picks, respectively, we don't have anything to talk about.

Again, asking Beal to be something he's not isn't gonna work. Quickley and Book with Beal rotating through makes more sense to me. I'm hoping Ott's pace and movement based system will allow the wings to get open without having to have a PG who pounds the ball into the ground to get open looks.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:06 am

Absolutely not to RJ Barrett.

A wing that shoots in the 60's from the line is trash. Hes not a good shooter, and the FT line % indicates he is an extreme long shot to ever become a good shooter.

I always use FT% as an indicator of where someone is in their potential for perimeter shooting.

Show me a player who sucks at the line but shoots above average from the perimeter

Fair. I think Quickley is a better fit, also fill a need.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:06 am

Absolutely not to RJ Barrett.

A wing that shoots in the 60's from the line is trash. Hes not a good shooter, and the FT line % indicates he is an extreme long shot to ever become a good shooter.

I always use FT% as an indicator of where someone is in their potential for perimeter shooting.

Show me a player who sucks at the line but shoots above average from the perimeter

Bruce Bowen was one

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:43 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:37 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:29 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:24 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:53 am

One thing to keep in mind, Quickley has 4 years and 130 million left on his deal…he’s expensive

If $32.6 million is expensive for a starting PG, what is $75 million for a starting SG?

Booker makes 53 million next year, not 75

Yes, but they're talking about a two-year, $150 million extension, which would leave him with 5 years, $318 million remaining ($63.647 a year, $75 million a year for the last two)

But you can’t compare a salary 4 years from now to a salary right now. The 75 million is the same percentage in 4 years that 53 is today.

While Quickley's salary stays the same for the four remaining years of his contract. In 2028-29 he's still making $32.5 million while Booker is making $75 million.

Well let’s revisit in 4 years then

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:20 am

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:06 am

Absolutely not to RJ Barrett.

A wing that shoots in the 60's from the line is trash. Hes not a good shooter, and the FT line % indicates he is an extreme long shot to ever become a good shooter.

I always use FT% as an indicator of where someone is in their potential for perimeter shooting.

Show me a player who sucks at the line but shoots above average from the perimeter

Bruce Bowen was one

Fair there's the unicorn but also Bowen was a defender he wasn't known as a scorer, and I don't just mean from 3

Ya I was mostly just joking…Bowen I’m sure never worked on anything offensively except that corner 3

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 am

Well let’s revisit in 4 years then

I'm sure we will, I'm just not enamoured with $75 million for a borderline All-Star.

You can run into serious cap issues when you overpay players because you afraid they might get unhappy and want to leave.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:31 am

I think if they want to be competitive next year Poeltl, Quickley and the #9 pick is a pretty good start, especially if you can add a couple of big forwards in the draft or by trading Allen or O'Neale.

That would leave them with -

F - Ryan Dunn, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale
C - Jakob Poeltl, Nick Richards, Oso Ighodaro
G - Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, Immanuel Quickley, Collin Gillespie

Draft - 9th pick, 29th pick, 52nd pick

I like almost every player on that roster, but it has a gaping hole at the PF spot. But maybe #9 or other picks can help address that. I do think that roster is not even close to a contender, more like a play-in hopeful if anything. But I suspect you wouldn't disagree with that.

I think if the above were our roster, I would work the phones trying to find a trade for Grayson Allen. His lack of defense makes him expendable and I'd rather turn him into a 1st round pick or young PF.

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:01 am

This straight bullshit. I don’t want to trade just to fuckin trade KD. I’d rather just let KD’s contract expire than to take a bullshit deal. You want to get out of the 2nd apron? Then 54 million off the books will do that. If we can’t get a good enough deal now then I’m fine playing this out again at the deadline. KD ain’t toxic like that. He’ll be a good soldier for a season at least. I don’t see why we have to accept a bullshit deal right now.

At least we know Duane Rankin isn’t just a Suns mouthpiece like Gambo lol.

Just games being playing right now lol

Yawn. Wake me when it's over.

I'm definitely taking everything with a big grain of salt. Some it's true, some of it isn't. There's a lot of posturing and PR from everyone involved.


I do think KD does not want to go to Minny.
I think Minny might be one of the better, or best, deals out there.
I do think the Spurs and Rockets are keeping Sochan and Jabari out of their deals at the moment.
Castle or the 2nd pick are non-starters for the Spurs.
We're not getting back 2 FRPs from anyone.

I'm hazy on what's been "confirmed". Has Gobert definitely been confirmed and are the Suns interested? I know Gambo's been mentioning him and the Wolves.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:48 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:31 am

I think if they want to be competitive next year Poeltl, Quickley and the #9 pick is a pretty good start, especially if you can add a couple of big forwards in the draft or by trading Allen or O'Neale.

That would leave them with -

F - Ryan Dunn, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale
C - Jakob Poeltl, Nick Richards, Oso Ighodaro
G - Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, Immanuel Quickley, Collin Gillespie

Draft - 9th pick, 29th pick, 52nd pick

This feels like a a possible play-in late lotto team, which is what I think the FO is shooting for until the cap clears because they don't have any draft capital.

That deal sounds pretty good to me. I wouldn't be mad. Those are hard working, team oriented guys we would be adding along with a relatively high draft pick.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:19 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 am

Well let’s revisit in 4 years then

I'm sure we will, I'm just not enamoured with $75 million for a borderline All-Star.

You can run into serious cap issues when you overpay players because you afraid they might get unhappy and want to leave.

I'm afraid you're just going to have to get over that, Bobster. That's the plan. It is written.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:19 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 am

Well let’s revisit in 4 years then

I'm sure we will, I'm just not enamoured with $75 million for a borderline All-Star.

You can run into serious cap issues when you overpay players because you afraid they might get unhappy and want to leave.

Fair, I’m not enamored with paying a middling pg 32 million who can’t seem to stay healthy either.