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Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:34 am
by Mori Chu
It's preposterous that Sarver said he expects the team to play .500 ball this season. Absolutely no one would have projected us to win half of our games this year.

I just worry that the wrong expectations will cause pressure on McDo to go trade some important assets like picks for win-now veterans who don't fit our goals.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:39 am
by specialsauce
We don’t have goals.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:47 am
by Hermen
JustWinBaby wrote:
Hermen wrote:Is there another good assistant coach out there? Like Watson, Atkinson, Fizdale were?
Is that a mistake. Did you mean to put Watson with Atkinson and Fizdale?
Not at all. I really like the job they are doing and was wondering if there is another respected assistant coach around that could be hired to replace Watson.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:01 am
by ShelC
This team doesn't need another young or first time head coach to "grow with them". We need someone established, who knows how to be a head coach and has been successful. Someone who will command respect from the start and bring some discipline on the court. That's what young players need. Right now, all they know is losing.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:10 am
by n4th4n
To me, the biggest issue with this historically embarrassing start to the season is that it is going to undermine the trade value of a lot of the assets on our roster. Watson does SUCH a bad job of putting players in spots that they can succeed. That is why I think showing him the door is our most pressing concern.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:17 am
by n4th4n
It is very easy to point at the Brandon Knight trade as the worst transaction of the McDo era. I think that hiring Watson without even interviewing any other candidates might actually equal or even exceed the BK trade in terms of gross misconduct. At least the BK trade had a defensible rationale behind it. There was NO defensible reason for only interviewing a single coaching candidate.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:36 am
by TOO
n4th4n wrote:It is very easy to point at the Brandon Knight trade as the worst transaction of the McDo era. I think that hiring Watson without even interviewing any other candidates might actually equal or even exceed the BK trade in terms of gross misconduct. At least the BK trade had a defensible rationale behind it. There was NO defensible reason for only interviewing a single coaching candidate.
This is quite possible.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:52 am
by The Bobster
Bad Owner? Check.
Bad GM? Check.
Bad Head Coach? Check.
Bad roster? Check.

Yeah, we've got all the bases covered.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:57 am
by Cap
The Bobster wrote:Bad Owner? Check.
Bad GM? Check.
Bad Head Coach? Check.
Bad roster? Check.

Yeah, we've got all the bases covered.
Judging by the empty seats and the cheering for opponents, perhaps we should add bad fans to the list.

But we have one of the best radio play-by-play men in the league. I guess that's something.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:58 am
by Mori Chu
n4th4n wrote:It is very easy to point at the Brandon Knight trade as the worst transaction of the McDo era. I think that hiring Watson without even interviewing any other candidates might actually equal or even exceed the BK trade in terms of gross misconduct. At least the BK trade had a defensible rationale behind it. There was NO defensible reason for only interviewing a single coaching candidate.
I agree, and some of us *cough cough* screamed so at the time. Others said, "Well, why do interviews when we already have a good candidate in-house and they already know they're going to hire him?" This was ridiculous logic, obvious at the time and even more obvious in hindsight.

Dear Sarver:

- Don't hire a too-young former player with no experience as head coach.
- Don't hire a head coach without doing a thorough search and conducting proper interviews.
- Don't go cheap on your coaching hires; paying one of the lowest in the NBA is not how you'll get good talent knocking on your door.

This stuff is so obvious. Sarver really doesn't know what he is doing.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:43 am
by The Bobster
It all starts at the top.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:50 am
by iLLmatic
Yeah continue to hire guys to learn on the job. GM/HC. Cheap owner and these are the results.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:48 pm
by Superbone
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Who was it who decided not to do any interviews for coaches when we hired Earl Watson? McDo or Saver? Or both together?
I'd say both together but moreso $arver. Yet again a huge mistake that will haunt the franchise for a long time.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:50 pm
by Superbone
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:It's preposterous that Sarver said he expects the team to play .500 ball this season. Absolutely no one would have projected us to win half of our games this year.

I just worry that the wrong expectations will cause pressure on McDo to go trade some important assets like picks for win-now veterans who don't fit our goals.
I agree that when I heard that I knew Sarver was delusional. I think he really believed it too. I wonder what he is thinking now?

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:53 pm
by Superbone
ShelC wrote:This team doesn't need another young or first time head coach to "grow with them". We need someone established, who knows how to be a head coach and has been successful. Someone who will command respect from the start and bring some discipline on the court. That's what young players need. Right now, all they know is losing.
Bingo! (Sorry, had to listen to Ralph Lawler last night on the Clippers broadcast. I wanted to punch him through the screen one time when the Suns were down 30 plus and the Clips hit a 3 and he did his exaggerated version... BBBBIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGOOOOOOOO!!! Man, did it make me mad.)

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:54 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote:
The Bobster wrote:Bad Owner? Check.
Bad GM? Check.
Bad Head Coach? Check.
Bad roster? Check.

Yeah, we've got all the bases covered.
Judging by the empty seats and the cheering for opponents, perhaps we should add bad fans to the list.

But we have one of the best radio play-by-play men in the league. I guess that's something.
Don't forget the great training staff.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:56 pm
by Superbone
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
n4th4n wrote:It is very easy to point at the Brandon Knight trade as the worst transaction of the McDo era. I think that hiring Watson without even interviewing any other candidates might actually equal or even exceed the BK trade in terms of gross misconduct. At least the BK trade had a defensible rationale behind it. There was NO defensible reason for only interviewing a single coaching candidate.
I agree, and some of us *cough cough* screamed so at the time. Others said, "Well, why do interviews when we already have a good candidate in-house and they already know they're going to hire him?" This was ridiculous logic, obvious at the time and even more obvious in hindsight.

Dear Sarver:

- Don't hire a too-young former player with no experience as head coach.
- Don't hire a head coach without doing a thorough search and conducting proper interviews.
- Don't go cheap on your coaching hires; paying one of the lowest in the NBA is not how you'll get good talent knocking on your door.

This stuff is so obvious. Sarver really doesn't know what he is doing.
Fire Sarver! Don't forget that Hornacek also didn't have any real coaching experience prior to his hire.

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:13 pm
by 1tinsoldier
i wasn't able to watch last season but the word was: the Suns were better than their record, Bledsoe had his best year, Booker might become a superstar, Chris and/or Bender could breakout.

We added one of the top draft pics, We lost little, and the coach is the same.

Can someone tell me what happened?
What are you seeing now that you didn't see 6 months ago and what might explain it?

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:16 pm
by Superbone
https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/922208637774262272

Re: Watson Watch 2017 <dramatic into music>

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:18 pm
by Cap
Superbone wrote:https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/922208637774262272
Sounds like Bob needs a hug.