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djy2j wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:53 am

At this point I just don't see us getting anything for Crowder. 2nd round pick is his worth at this point.

I disagree. A lot more buyers out there than sellers. A lot of playoff teams could view Jae as a difference maker and give up their pick to get him.

The problem is that Crowder is a guy you trade for if you want to win now. Usually the way you make trades is by finding a team whose needs are different from yours; specifically, a team that wants to win now vs. one that wants to acquire picks and prospects to win later. We want to trade Crowder, but we also want to win now, so we're trying to find another win-now team that we can somehow dupe into giving us a good player for Crowder. That's hard to find.

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:09 pm

djy2j wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:53 am

At this point I just don't see us getting anything for Crowder. 2nd round pick is his worth at this point.

I disagree. A lot more buyers out there than sellers. A lot of playoff teams could view Jae as a difference maker and give up their pick to get him.

Yeah I don't see this. Nobody is giving up a quality asset for a streaky shooting glue guy.

That’s why most trades being discussed are 3 team ones and probably why we haven’t been able to make one work. Should be easier if we decide to just focus on the future.

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:51 am

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:09 pm

djy2j wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:53 am

At this point I just don't see us getting anything for Crowder. 2nd round pick is his worth at this point.

I disagree. A lot more buyers out there than sellers. A lot of playoff teams could view Jae as a difference maker and give up their pick to get him.

Yeah I don't see this. Nobody is giving up a quality asset for a streaky shooting glue guy.

Jazz got a 1st for Royce O’Neal.

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:52 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:51 am

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:09 pm

djy2j wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:53 am

At this point I just don't see us getting anything for Crowder. 2nd round pick is his worth at this point.

I disagree. A lot more buyers out there than sellers. A lot of playoff teams could view Jae as a difference maker and give up their pick to get him.

Yeah I don't see this. Nobody is giving up a quality asset for a streaky shooting glue guy.

Jazz got a 1st for Royce O’Neal.

Wolves got 35 picks for Gobert. Doesn't mean anything.

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:30 pm

They are getting it to him though. Jeremy should be happy. He’s not getting a great whistle…seems like tbeh could’ve called a foul on 1-2 of his misses

He did get beat up a bit with no calls. But he also rushed some shots.

TOO wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:04 am

Ayton is the empty calorie hooper that people think Booker was.

If Booker wasn't able to carry a team by himself, why should we expect Ayton to?

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:24 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:04 am

Ayton is the empty calorie hooper that people think Booker was.

If Booker wasn't able to carry a team by himself, why should we expect Ayton to?

Seems as though Booker has been carrying the team.

Now I do not expect Ayton to carry this team, he doesn't have that skill set, but I did expect a nice bump to his numbers given his athletic gifts but yet, here we are.

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Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:43 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:24 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:04 am

Ayton is the empty calorie hooper that people think Booker was.

If Booker wasn't able to carry a team by himself, why should we expect Ayton to?

Seems as though Booker has been carrying the team.

Now I do not expect Ayton to carry this team, he doesn't have that skill set, but I did expect a nice bump to his numbers given his athletic gifts but yet, here we are.

I'm talking about his first five years in the league, he wasn't able to carry the team to the playoffs. Thus people said he was an empty stats guy.

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:46 pm

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:53 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:46 pm

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

They're still in the league?

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:09 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:53 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:46 pm

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

They're still in the league?

Lol. He had Oubre and Ayton and Bridges and still only won 19 games in 2019.

Amazing. You make it too easy.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:55 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:09 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:53 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:46 pm

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

They're still in the league?

Lol. He had Oubre and Ayton and Bridges and still only won 19 games in 2019.

This is a bit silly. Those guys were like 22 years old that year. And nobody was able to run the offense. That team had Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Tyson Chandler, and various other bantha fodder on it. That team was not anywhere near ready to be good yet.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:55 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:09 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:53 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:46 pm

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

They're still in the league?

Lol. He had Oubre and Ayton and Bridges and still only won 19 games in 2019.

No team wins with Kelly Oubre playing major minutes. It’s a fact

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:15 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:55 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:09 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:53 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:46 pm

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

They're still in the league?

Lol. He had Oubre and Ayton and Bridges and still only won 19 games in 2019.

This is a bit silly. Those guys were like 22 years old that year. And nobody was able to run the offense. That team had Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Tyson Chandler, and various other bantha fodder on it. That team was not anywhere near ready to be good yet.

I've finally given up on Jeremy, he's a lost cause when it comes to Ayton. Ayton could literally poop at half court and Jeremy would blame the court for being in the way.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:15 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:55 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:09 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:53 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:46 pm

Those first 5 years had the worst talent, coaching, GM and so on in the league. But go on.

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

They're still in the league?

Lol. He had Oubre and Ayton and Bridges and still only won 19 games in 2019.

This is a bit silly. Those guys were like 22 years old that year. And nobody was able to run the offense. That team had Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Tyson Chandler, and various other bantha fodder on it. That team was not anywhere near ready to be good yet.

My point is that Ayton is not playing with more talent than Booker had. Who does he have out there with him that's actually a good player? Half a Mikal?

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:06 pm

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:15 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:55 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:09 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:53 pm

And how were the players Ayton was playing with in the last game better than what Booker had?

They're still in the league?

Lol. He had Oubre and Ayton and Bridges and still only won 19 games in 2019.

This is a bit silly. Those guys were like 22 years old that year. And nobody was able to run the offense. That team had Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Tyson Chandler, and various other bantha fodder on it. That team was not anywhere near ready to be good yet.

My point is that Ayton is not playing with more talent than Booker had. Who does he have out there with him that's actually a good player? Half a Mikal?

We know your point. It’s been the same broken record of excuses for the last 3 years. On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and…

I’m a big Ayton fan too, but…