Suns News: Week 11 (Dec 30 - Jan 5)

[Charlie Smithy!]

He's right.

Of course, we all know that. Now it’s getting national recognition.

So you're telling me... that we're getting National recognition

[Split T]

Beal to the Bench

[TOO]

DISASTER CLASS BY JAMES JONES EVERYBODY.

[JeremyG]

You guys are nuts. Ayton was spectacular in our finals run. You quickly forget. He peaked and it's Sarvers fault for matching a max contract instead of trading.

Beal hasn't given us shit since he got here on a $50M contract

Ayton was spectacular in the first 2 rounds of the finals run. He disappeared in the WCF and finals. He peaked with the valley-oop.

Of the six finals games he had one dud.

Game 1 he had 22/19
Game 2 he had 10/11/4/3/2
Game 3 he had 18/9/3
Game 4 he had 6/17/5/3
Game 5 he had 20/10/1/1/2
Game 6 he had 12/6/1/2/2

Come on. Don't just blindly hate bro. Respect that he was arguably our MVP in the playoff run. CP3 said it himself.

Yup and it was only to get his pay day… then he promptly crapped the bed.

…because we didn’t give him his pay day. Cheap owner.

[JeremyG]

It’s funny how y’all are so biased against DA that even with the ways things have gone (to the point where Nurkic isn’t even a starter anymore), nobody is even the least bit curious how this team would have done if we made all the same moves (Durant, Beal) except let Vogel coach DA like he wanted to?

In hindsight, every trade Ishbia made in 2023 looks like a bad trade. Getting rid of 5 starters in 3 trades in 7 months was probably not the smartest idea collectively speaking, either.

[Superbone]

In hindsight, every trade Ishbia made in 2023 looks like a bad trade. Getting rid of 5 starters in 3 trades in 7 months was probably not the smartest idea collectively speaking, either.

This is undeniably true.

[Gladiator]

Beal to the Bench

Putting aside egos and human emotions, Beal to the bench is a logical move and a better way to split up minutes and shots for the ‘big 3’. In reality it may make him surly enough to waive his no-trade clause.
Not a huge fan of Plumlee over Nurk but that is pretty meh either way.

[Superbone]

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Beal to the Bench

How long have we been saying to send Beal to the bench? Also, not sure if this is the right game to bench Nurk (size on Embiid). Not sure Plumlee is any better. I wish he would at least look at the basket every once in a while rather than having all his passes stolen as the defense knows he's always passing back out.

Ryan Dunn starting? Yes, please. Play him 30 minutes a game too. One of the few out there making a difference defensively and bringing great energy.

[Gladiator]

Agreed that Dunn starting is nice to see. Something to look forward to for this team!

[Mori Chu]

Beal off the bench is the right call. I hope Coach met with Brad and talked to him about it, let him know it isn't about poor play in his part, more about avoiding bad fit with Booker and giving us needed scoring and playmaking off the bench. As for benching Nurk, fine. Plumlee isn't the answer either, and we may find that Plumber's flaws feel much more prominent if he plays more minutes, but at this point we need to be trying things like this if we want any hope at all of salvaging our season.

[ShelC]

Glad we're shaking things up but can't see this going well in the short term. Even so, time to turn the page and give regular minutes to Dunn. Plumlee sucks too but is still a hair better than Nurk. Hopefully Oso can keep getting minutes and we use him consistently as a PnR/short roll option.

[Split T]

It’s funny how y’all are so biased against DA that even with the ways things have gone (to the point where Nurkic isn’t even a starter anymore), nobody is even the least bit curious how this team would have done if we made all the same moves (Durant, Beal) except let Vogel coach DA like he wanted to?

In hindsight, every trade Ishbia made in 2023 looks like a bad trade. Getting rid of 5 starters in 3 trades in 7 months was probably not the smartest idea collectively speaking, either.

I’m curious…but I don’t think I’d undo the trade. I think the relationship was broken between the suns and DA. We just would’ve had different problems.

[Mori Chu]

It’s funny how y’all are so biased against DA that even with the ways things have gone (to the point where Nurkic isn’t even a starter anymore), nobody is even the least bit curious how this team would have done if we made all the same moves (Durant, Beal) except let Vogel coach DA like he wanted to?

There's no evidence that DA's failure was due to Vogel not getting to "coach DA like he wanted to." In case you hadn't noticed, he's completely worn out his welcome in Portland, they already have a newer younger better center and basically want DA off their team. He's a bum, soon to be on low-dollar contracts if not out of the league.

[specialsauce]

You guys are nuts. Ayton was spectacular in our finals run. You quickly forget. He peaked and it's Sarvers fault for matching a max contract instead of trading.

Beal hasn't given us shit since he got here on a $50M contract

Ayton was spectacular in the first 2 rounds of the finals run. He disappeared in the WCF and finals. He peaked with the valley-oop.

Of the six finals games he had one dud.

Game 1 he had 22/19
Game 2 he had 10/11/4/3/2
Game 3 he had 18/9/3
Game 4 he had 6/17/5/3
Game 5 he had 20/10/1/1/2
Game 6 he had 12/6/1/2/2

Come on. Don't just blindly hate bro. Respect that he was arguably our MVP in the playoff run. CP3 said it himself.

Yup and it was only to get his pay day… then he promptly crapped the bed.

…because we didn’t give him his pay day. Cheap owner.

He's fucking killing it for Portland. gleague MVP level shit

[TOO]

14/10 for max money, sign me up.

[Kryptonic]

Good god what a hill to die on…. Regardless of the mountain of stats that say he’s garbage and one lazy mother f’er. He’s the Ryan leaf of the nba.

[Wally_West]

The mistake we made with DA was not trading him for Miles Turner when we had the chance. Also not trading him for Sabonis either, idk why that never worked out. Him, Book and KD would’ve been a nice big 3. *sigh*

[JeremyG]

It’s funny how y’all are so biased against DA that even with the ways things have gone (to the point where Nurkic isn’t even a starter anymore), nobody is even the least bit curious how this team would have done if we made all the same moves (Durant, Beal) except let Vogel coach DA like he wanted to?

There's no evidence that DA's failure was due to Vogel not getting to "coach DA like he wanted to." In case you hadn't noticed, he's completely worn out his welcome in Portland, they already have a newer younger better center and basically want DA off their team. He's a bum, soon to be on low-dollar contracts if not out of the league.

EDIT: Okay, I am genuinely confused. Did you forget that Vogel didn’t get to coach DA at all?

[Split T]

The mistake we made with DA was not trading him for Miles Turner when we had the chance. Also not trading him for Sabonis either, idk why that never worked out. Him, Book and KD would’ve been a nice big 3. *sigh*

I think it was Indiana that said no to Sabonis/DA…we absolutely blew it not signing and trading DA for Turner. Turner would be a godsend for this team.

[Split T]

Do you still believe in DA, Jeremy? I just checked and his free throw rate is somehow at a career low. His turnover rate is at career highs and usage rate is near career lows. He has a negative BPM…at some point you gotta just realize he wasn’t the guy you thought he was…it’s ok, we all are wrong from time to time.