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Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:10 am
by Split T
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:52 am
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:08 pm
I think Wiggins/Ware/Robinson/20 is fair. It’s nothing special…I’d push for a 2nd pick or Jovic, but it’s better than what Houston/SA are offering.
I think you're lowering the bar too low.
If we're dealing with Miami the package should be:
Andrew Wiggins
Kyle Anderson
Nikola Jovic
Kel'el Ware
Pelle Larsson
#20
Future 2nd rounder
Maybe, just seems like the offers like this aren’t there right now.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:22 am
by INFORMER
ATL/LAC/PHX trade:
Atlanta receives:
Norman Powell
LAC:
Kevin Durant
PHX receives:
Ivica Zubac (starting center!)
Terrence Mann (grit and grime!!)
Kobe Bufkin
Derrick Jones
ATL #13
LAC #30
LAC 2031 1st round pick
($6 million off the cap)
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:46 am
by TOO
Id love that trade, dunno if the clippers are dumb enough to move off Zubac.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:57 am
by INFORMER
I didn't think they would, but when I heard they were pursuing him, I thought they couldn't put a deal together without including him. But I just looked at the numbers again, and they do have other contracts they can use.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 10:08 am
by TOO
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:57 am
I didn't think they would, but when I heard they were pursuing him, I thought they couldn't put a deal together without including him. But I just looked at the numbers again, and they do have other contracts they can use.
Yeah, I think they can build something around Powell and Jones, which like every other SG that keeps getting linked in trade does this team absolutely no good.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 10:16 am
by INFORMER
The key would be flipping Norman Powell to a third team. Atlanta, Memphis, and Houston could all be solid candidates.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 10:28 am
by Split T
Dallas could also use Powell
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 10:30 am
by Split T
Some promise
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 10:49 am
by JJ Slim
I keep seeing "price threshold" and "Suns need to lower their demands". I agree on the former and disagree on the latter. If the Suns can't get a good deal without taking on unusable, untradable players with albatross contracts they should just keep Durant, don't extend him and let his salary drop off after next year. At that time Beal will be much more tradable as an expiring contract too. If we can just suffer through one more year we have a much better chance of getting the team on a proper footing.
Edit: Threatening Durant with no extension may convince him to be open to going to other teams
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:05 am
by Wally_West
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:15 am
by TOO
Or just fucking trade him wherever, who cares what he wants?
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:23 am
by JJ Slim
TOO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:15 am
Or just fucking trade him wherever, who cares what he wants?
Well there's that too. But in any case we shouldn't take a crappy deal just for the sake of trading him.I don't think we HAVE to trade him.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:26 am
by Split T
I think the Minnesota offer is contingent on buy in from KD
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:31 am
by Wally_West
Twolves-KD
Kings- Gobert, DiVincenzo
Suns- Sabonis, Rob Dillingham, 17th pick
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:37 am
by iLLmatic
JJ Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:15 am
Or just fucking trade him wherever, who cares what he wants?
Well there's that too. But in any case we shouldn't take a crappy deal just for the sake of trading him.I don't think we HAVE to trade him.
I’m not really interested in losing him for nothing either.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:44 am
by iLLmatic
I thought Gambo said a deal was getting done this week. Whooops.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 12:30 pm
by INFORMER
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:37 am
JJ Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:15 am
Or just fucking trade him wherever, who cares what he wants?
Well there's that too. But in any case we shouldn't take a crappy deal just for the sake of trading him.I don't think we HAVE to trade him.
I’m not really interested in losing him for nothing either.
For me, I don't want to waste another year. That's what I feel we would be doing if we kept Durant.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 12:55 pm
by Mori Chu
TOO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:15 am
Or just fucking trade him wherever, who cares what he wants?
I think there's a common misunderstanding about this. It isn't that we are treating Durant as if he had a no-trade clause, only considering trading him to teams he loves and wants to play for. It's more from the other teams' side, like Minny. They don't want to give up their good assets unless they get reassurance from KD that he will re-sign there. He isn't offering that assurance, so they are giving worse offers or refusing to make offers. That's my interpretation of the situation. It's similar (trade is blocked because KD doesn't want to go there) but it's on the other team's side, not ours. I think at this point we would trade him wherever if the other team made us the offer we want.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:54 pm
by SunsRIt
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:44 am
I thought Gambo said a deal was getting done this week. Whooops.
Last I checked it’s only Thursday. Sunday is a long way off.
Re: The Kevin Durant Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:54 pm
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 12:55 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:15 am
Or just fucking trade him wherever, who cares what he wants?
I think there's a common misunderstanding about this. It isn't that we are treating Durant as if he had a no-trade clause, only considering trading him to teams he loves and wants to play for. It's more from the other teams' side, like Minny. They don't want to give up their good assets unless they get reassurance from KD that he will re-sign there. He isn't offering that assurance, so they are giving worse offers or refusing to make offers. That's my interpretation of the situation. It's similar (trade is blocked because KD doesn't want to go there) but it's on the other team's side, not ours. I think at this point we would trade him wherever if the other team made us the offer we want.
Yup, same thing happened with that Warriors deadline deal.