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Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:57 am

Zion does scare me from a health standpoint, but I’d take the chance. I’d rather hold my breath hoping Zion doesn’t break down than hold my breath hoping Ayton ever learns to play consistently aggressive.

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:27 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:57 am

Zion does scare me from a health standpoint, but I’d take the chance. I’d rather hold my breath hoping Zion doesn’t break down than hold my breath hoping Ayton ever learns to play consistently aggressive.

Why? For some highlight dunks while constantly monitoring his minutes and praying he doesn't blow a knee? He's a bit of a turnstile on defense on top of the health concerns. What does the chance you're taking net you other than some butts in the seats when the pandemic ends? He's not a generational offensive talent that is going to take your team to the next level.

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:23 am

I've argued this point last season and continue to feel the same. As others stated, Zion isn't built to withstand a very long career in the NBA at his current build and playing style. As we've seen Blake Griffin diminish athletically at a very dramatic rate, Zion will diminish even more quickly. Add in the fact that he's not a good defender at all and his shooting leaves so much to be desired, I'd take Ayton. What is the upside in an athletic bulldozer highlight reel on offense when you're worried at any moment that you're playing him too many minutes or that he's about to suffer a catastrophic injury? I really don't get the infatuation at all some seem to have with him and would take that risk over the improving inconsistency of Ayton that still gives you a huge upside in rebounding and defense most nights even when he's not a big factor on offense. I want a player that contributes to wins, not dunks.

Looking at win shares, Zion trails Ayton while being the #1 option and Ayton being 3rd or 4th most nights.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:46 am

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:27 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:57 am

Zion does scare me from a health standpoint, but I’d take the chance. I’d rather hold my breath hoping Zion doesn’t break down than hold my breath hoping Ayton ever learns to play consistently aggressive.

Why? For some highlight dunks while constantly monitoring his minutes and praying he doesn't blow a knee? He's a bit of a turnstile on defense on top of the health concerns. What does the chance you're taking net you other than some butts in the seats when the pandemic ends? He's not a generational offensive talent that is going to take your team to the next level.

C’mon...he’s essentially a rookie still. He’s played 42 career games and he’s averaging 24/8 and shooting 58% from the field. Again, he’s 20 years old, how can you say he’s not a generational offensive talent at this point? He very well could be on that path. His combination of quickness, power, explosion, and aggressiveness make him almost unstoppable in the paint. He hasn’t been good defensively in the nba, but he did flash a lot of defensive potential in college. Ayton also sucked on defense in his rookie year. Yes the health is a concern, but if you knew he’d stay healthy, it’s not even remotely close, Zion a million times out of a million.

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:08 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:46 am

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:27 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:57 am

Zion does scare me from a health standpoint, but I’d take the chance. I’d rather hold my breath hoping Zion doesn’t break down than hold my breath hoping Ayton ever learns to play consistently aggressive.

Why? For some highlight dunks while constantly monitoring his minutes and praying he doesn't blow a knee? He's a bit of a turnstile on defense on top of the health concerns. What does the chance you're taking net you other than some butts in the seats when the pandemic ends? He's not a generational offensive talent that is going to take your team to the next level.

C’mon...he’s essentially a rookie still. He’s played 42 career games and he’s averaging 24/8 and shooting 58% from the field. Again, he’s 20 years old, how can you say he’s not a generational offensive talent at this point? He very well could be on that path. His combination of quickness, power, explosion, and aggressiveness make him almost unstoppable in the paint. He hasn’t been good defensively in the nba, but he did flash a lot of defensive potential in college. Ayton also sucked on defense in his rookie year. Yes the health is a concern, but if you knew he’d stay healthy, it’s not even remotely close, Zion a million times out of a million.

this. he may end up with a short career, but he is already more of an offensive player than DA has shown in his career.

Hell, compare him to Book. Zion has a better career scoring average than Booker, better FG% than Booker, and gets to the line more.

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:18 pm

How many top players stay with a smaller market team for more than 4-5 years anyway?

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:58 pm

Do you remember 3 weeks ago when we were all wondering if DA would ever get a FTA or dunk the ball again?

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:14 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:58 pm

Do you remember 3 weeks ago when we were all wondering if DA would ever get a FTA or dunk the ball again?

I was shouting at the TV repeatedly and made mention a few times about his vagina showing up, or something derogatory and unnecessary along the same lines, on these very boards and the gameday threads. That doesn't change the fact that even if he doesn't become transcendent on offense, he can have a very long career as a defensive anchor and league leader in rebounds. There's value in Ayton even when he is a mess on offense for stretches. Watch the replays of the game winner last night. Set a good screen to free Booker. When Zion loses his athleticism to injury, and it will happen, what else is he going to be able to provide a team?