Last Week's Games
Tue, Nov 12th @ Jazz 120-112 WIN!
Wed, Nov 13th @ Kings 107-124 Loss
Fri, Nov 15th @ Thunder 83-99 Loss
Sun, Nov 17th vs Timberwolves 117-120 Loss
This Week's Games
Mon, Nov 18th vs Magic at 9:00PM EST on Suns Live, Arizona's Family 3TV / Arizona's Family Sports
Weds, Nov 20th vs New York at 10:00PM EST on Suns Live, Arizona's Family 3TV / Arizona's Family Sports / ESPN
Thanks for the threads, Shel. Oof, seeing those three red losses hurts. This week may also be a tough one, though I think we can win both of these games.
Author of The Basketball Draft Fact Book: A History of Professional Basketball's College Drafts
Available from Scarecrow Press at - https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810890695
If people would stop expecting him to be a mega star Kobe/LeBron/Luka and even Harden in his prime transcendent talent, I think it's much easier to come to terms with his production. There's a lot of guys in NBA history who were stars but not franchise carrying types and that's what he is. He's very good, but he's not changing the fortune of a team that adds him in a real meaningful way. And that's totally fine, those guys are so few and far between.
Agreed. I also think it’s even harder nowadays for 1 player to carry a team by themselves. Luka made the finals last year, but the Mavs are back in play-in territory this year. Jokic is putting up like 30/13/11 numbers and Denver is barely ahead of us. Gone are the days when LeBron James can carry a bunch of nobodies to the Finals. I don’t think prime MJ or LeBron could turn the Wizards, as an example, into a contender in today’s game.
If people would stop expecting him to be a mega star Kobe/LeBron/Luka and even Harden in his prime transcendent talent, I think it's much easier to come to terms with his production. There's a lot of guys in NBA history who were stars but not franchise carrying types and that's what he is. He's very good, but he's not changing the fortune of a team that adds him in a real meaningful way. And that's totally fine, those guys are so few and far between.
If people would stop expecting him to be a mega star Kobe/LeBron/Luka and even Harden in his prime transcendent talent, I think it's much easier to come to terms with his production. There's a lot of guys in NBA history who were stars but not franchise carrying types and that's what he is. He's very good, but he's not changing the fortune of a team that adds him in a real meaningful way. And that's totally fine, those guys are so few and far between.
Then he shouldn't get the supermax.
I mean I get that…in an ideal world only the truly elite would get the supermax…imo you could make a case that Jokic is the only player worthy of the supermax right now…though SGA, Giannis, and Luka probably are. It’s just better to overpay slightly for a star than lose him and have to pay a bunch of mediocre players instead.
Likely means you won’t win a title, but you’re just hoping to strike gold and get lucky. We almost did in 2021 and I still think that 2022 team was the best team in the nba. I don’t know what team showed up after game 2 of the Mavs series, but it was not the same team I watched all year. We were better than the Mavs and better than the Warriors that year.
If people would stop expecting him to be a mega star Kobe/LeBron/Luka and even Harden in his prime transcendent talent, I think it's much easier to come to terms with his production. There's a lot of guys in NBA history who were stars but not franchise carrying types and that's what he is. He's very good, but he's not changing the fortune of a team that adds him in a real meaningful way. And that's totally fine, those guys are so few and far between.
Then he shouldn't get the supermax.
It's just not that simple, would you stay in a perpetual rebuild until you get that transcendent star? You gotta set your roots down with someone, and an all NBA all-star is better bet than just hoping to hit in the draft. The NBA very much encourages big names to get big contracts, that's just how the CBA works now.
If people would stop expecting him to be a mega star Kobe/LeBron/Luka and even Harden in his prime transcendent talent, I think it's much easier to come to terms with his production. There's a lot of guys in NBA history who were stars but not franchise carrying types and that's what he is. He's very good, but he's not changing the fortune of a team that adds him in a real meaningful way. And that's totally fine, those guys are so few and far between.
Then he shouldn't get the supermax.
It's just not that simple, would you stay in a perpetual rebuild until you get that transcendent star? You gotta set your roots down with someone, and an all NBA all-star is better bet than just hoping to hit in the draft. The NBA very much encourages big names to get big contracts, that's just how the CBA works now.
The question kinda becomes, was 2020-today worth it? Finals run, best regular season in franchise history, acquiring KD…We didn’t win, but it was fun. The alternative was just continuing to suck and I personally am grateful we changed course. 2011-2019 was rough(with the exception of that one 13-14 season where we still didn’t make the playoffs).
If people would stop expecting him to be a mega star Kobe/LeBron/Luka and even Harden in his prime transcendent talent, I think it's much easier to come to terms with his production. There's a lot of guys in NBA history who were stars but not franchise carrying types and that's what he is. He's very good, but he's not changing the fortune of a team that adds him in a real meaningful way. And that's totally fine, those guys are so few and far between.
Then he shouldn't get the supermax.
It's just not that simple, would you stay in a perpetual rebuild until you get that transcendent star? You gotta set your roots down with someone, and an all NBA all-star is better bet than just hoping to hit in the draft. The NBA very much encourages big names to get big contracts, that's just how the CBA works now.
The question kinda becomes, was 2020-today worth it? Finals run, best regular season in franchise history, acquiring KD…We didn’t win, but it was fun. The alternative was just continuing to suck and I personally am grateful we changed course. 2011-2019 was rough(with the exception of that one 13-14 season where we still didn’t make the playoffs).
I'd rather have that finals run than the 20 years that precedeed it. Yes it's a shame they couldn't finish, but look at the years since, it's hard to even get anywhere near there again, it's the most fun as a fan for me since 93.
We spent all those years in hell precisely to be able to have the roster that did contend for 2-3 years. The Suns were never closer to the title (unless you consider the Nash era when Spus-Mavs-Suns were the finals, which I do, but I know it's wrong), up 2-0 with a team where most of the main pieces were drafted by ourselves no less. Absolutely worth it.
We spent all those years in hell precisely to be able to have the roster that did contend for 2-3 years. The Suns were never closer to the title (unless you consider the Nash era when Spus-Mavs-Suns were the finals, which I do, but I know it's wrong), up 2-0 with a team where most of the main pieces were drafted by ourselves no less. Absolutely worth it.
13-14 was awesome btw.
They didn't need to spend all those years wandering in the wilderness in order to build a team. They spent too many opportunities drafting players like Dragan Bender, Marquise Chriss, Josh Jackson, Alex Len and Kendall Marshall, signing free agents like Hakim Warrick and Tyson Chandler, and trading for others like Brandon Knight and Josh Childress. With competent management they had the resources to build a much more competitive team than they did.
Colangelo managed to take a team that was in the middle of a drug scandal, losing and rumored to be moving out of town in 1987 to the NBA Finals in 1993, so if you're competent it can be done.
Author of The Basketball Draft Fact Book: A History of Professional Basketball's College Drafts
Available from Scarecrow Press at - https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810890695
We spent all those years in hell precisely to be able to have the roster that did contend for 2-3 years. The Suns were never closer to the title (unless you consider the Nash era when Spus-Mavs-Suns were the finals, which I do, but I know it's wrong), up 2-0 with a team where most of the main pieces were drafted by ourselves no less. Absolutely worth it.
13-14 was awesome btw.
They didn't need to spend all those years wandering in the wilderness in order to build a team. They spent too many opportunities drafting players like Dragan Bender, Marquise Chriss, Josh Jackson, Alex Len and Kendall Marshall, signing free agents like Hakim Warrick and Tyson Chandler, and trading for others like Brandon Knight and Josh Childress. With competent management they had the resources to build a much more competitive team than they did.
Colangelo managed to take a team that was in the middle of a drug scandal, losing and rumored to be moving out of town in 1987 to the NBA Finals in 1993, so if you're competent it can be done.
I'm with you on all those moves except for Chandler. I think he was decent while he was here. But yeah, the fact remains that McD and company botched several drafts and didn't chose FAs well either.
We spent all those years in hell precisely to be able to have the roster that did contend for 2-3 years. The Suns were never closer to the title (unless you consider the Nash era when Spus-Mavs-Suns were the finals, which I do, but I know it's wrong), up 2-0 with a team where most of the main pieces were drafted by ourselves no less. Absolutely worth it.
13-14 was awesome btw.
They didn't need to spend all those years wandering in the wilderness in order to build a team. They spent too many opportunities drafting players like Dragan Bender, Marquise Chriss, Josh Jackson, Alex Len and Kendall Marshall, signing free agents like Hakim Warrick and Tyson Chandler, and trading for others like Brandon Knight and Josh Childress. With competent management they had the resources to build a much more competitive team than they did.
Colangelo managed to take a team that was in the middle of a drug scandal, losing and rumored to be moving out of town in 1987 to the NBA Finals in 1993, so if you're competent it can be done.
Absolutely. No challenge here on the many wasted picks and dumb moves for vets (like IT3, Knight or the clusterfuck that was the 2010 offseason after letting Amare go -which in itself, to me at least, was not wrong-). But even then, many times teams seem like they do things right yet they never sniff a finals. So in a sense, it worked out. Sad that we couldn't finish the job.
We spent all those years in hell precisely to be able to have the roster that did contend for 2-3 years. The Suns were never closer to the title (unless you consider the Nash era when Spus-Mavs-Suns were the finals, which I do, but I know it's wrong), up 2-0 with a team where most of the main pieces were drafted by ourselves no less. Absolutely worth it.
13-14 was awesome btw.
They didn't need to spend all those years wandering in the wilderness in order to build a team. They spent too many opportunities drafting players like Dragan Bender, Marquise Chriss, Josh Jackson, Alex Len and Kendall Marshall, signing free agents like Hakim Warrick and Tyson Chandler, and trading for others like Brandon Knight and Josh Childress. With competent management they had the resources to build a much more competitive team than they did.
Colangelo managed to take a team that was in the middle of a drug scandal, losing and rumored to be moving out of town in 1987 to the NBA Finals in 1993, so if you're competent it can be done.
I'm with you on all those moves except for Chandler. I think he was decent while he was here. But yeah, the fact remains that McD and company botched several drafts and didn't chose FAs well either.
Can't agree. I mean, he was basically done and his supposed skill (defense) was really never there for those Suns. He kind of rebounded but in the same way Nurkic is rebounding for us, it is, because essentially there is nobody else. At least he provided some resemblance of toughness and veteran leadership, unlike another waste of space like Trevor Ariza.
