THE PLAY MUST JUSTIFY THE PAY

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What should the Suns do with their "BIG 3"

Explore trading them all
10
45%
Explore trading Booker
1
5%
Explore trading Durant
0
No votes
Explore trading Beal
2
9%
Explore trading 2 out of 3 of them
4
18%
Continue overpaying
5
23%
 
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What should we do?

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Nice poll, Jackie Chiles.
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I voted explore the full explosion. Sadly the team is more fun when they are full of youth on the upswing, this capped out old farts shit aint for me.
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BLOW IT UP. I don't mind a bad team but I want to hope for something better. This team is never going to win a title or even come close. I have seen enough. Go get some picks and young assets.

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Keep Durant and trade Booker and Beal. The former got his shoe deal and pretty much threw in the towel and the latter is made of glass. Sick of the pair of them.

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This latest stretch I'm actually warming to the idea of trading Booker, he seems to be regressing not improving and the poor form has been so consistent I'm worried if he's ever gonna get back to his best.

Structurally we're too short and too stagnant .. Tyus, Nurk and others are almost useless on defence and its just too big a hole to fill

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Everybody derided me when I said Booker was not SuperMax worthy.
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JeremyG wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:06 am
Everybody derided me when I said Booker was not SuperMax worthy.
Well, yeah, he was playing a lot better at the time than he is now. He seems to have regressed and lost his killer instinct.
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JeremyG wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:06 am
Everybody derided me when I said Booker was not SuperMax worthy.
I think it’s because of your stance on paying ayton the max…. 🤪😛

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There are 5 or 7 guys who are really worth the supermax. So that's not a barometer for me. Book's proven he can be the guy with the right team/coach around him, as most guys tend to be.

I would trade KD and Beal for whatever we can and try to reload as quickly as possible. Easier said than done, but I think there are pieces here already - Dunn and Oso - where we can rebuild a good foundation and get back to the pre-CP days of playing hard, executing and getting some vibes back around the team. There's really no reason to extend KD and prolong this.

I don't know where you send Beal or what you get back but he's gotta go. Depending on what you do with Beal, maybe KD can be salvaged but I just feel like both are a drag.

It's a point guard league and the right one is the engine for a team. Jones and Morris are good, but are backups. We need a true PG who can make others better. That guy probably won't come back in a trade, but it's a key piece in any turnaround.

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Bookers explosion is gone. He used to have some sneaky burst to the hoop on his drives and it's like he's aged 10 years since the finals run. Either teams have caught up to him and learned to bump him to throw him off, or his hamstring injuries have robbed him of his first step. He just can't get any separation any more. It's sad.

Blow it up

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That's even more reason why he's need to be off the ball, working off screens to create space or get some mismatches. MJ and Kobe aged the same way and relied on angles and footwork, which he still has. We're just asking him to beat a double team 30 ft from the basket. And not only that, we're screening small on small so he's got two quick perimeter players doubling him rather instead of a slower big he can get around.

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JeremyG wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:06 am
Everybody derided me when I said Booker was not SuperMax worthy.
Good to see you JeremyG. I do think it was worth it to supermax Booker, but the team we have built isn't going to win a title. I don't want to trade Book though I'm open to it if it brought us a ton of picks and assets.

The ideal trade would be KD to Houston and getting a bunch of our own picks back, since they now own most of the ones we traded away.

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ShelC wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:28 am
That's even more reason why he's need to be off the ball, working off screens to create space or get some mismatches. MJ and Kobe aged the same way and relied on angles and footwork, which he still has. We're just asking him to beat a double team 30 ft from the basket. And not only that, we're screening small on small so he's got two quick perimeter players doubling him rather instead of a slower big he can get around.
It's too bad we didn't get multiple capable PGs in the off-season.
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AmareIsGod wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:21 am
ShelC wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:28 am
That's even more reason why he's need to be off the ball, working off screens to create space or get some mismatches. MJ and Kobe aged the same way and relied on angles and footwork, which he still has. We're just asking him to beat a double team 30 ft from the basket. And not only that, we're screening small on small so he's got two quick perimeter players doubling him rather instead of a slower big he can get around.
It's too bad we didn't get multiple capable PGs on the off-season.
Or a coach who knows how to use them.

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ShelC wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:55 am
AmareIsGod wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:21 am
ShelC wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:28 am
That's even more reason why he's need to be off the ball, working off screens to create space or get some mismatches. MJ and Kobe aged the same way and relied on angles and footwork, which he still has. We're just asking him to beat a double team 30 ft from the basket. And not only that, we're screening small on small so he's got two quick perimeter players doubling him rather instead of a slower big he can get around.
It's too bad we didn't get multiple capable PGs on the off-season.
Or a coach who knows how to use them.
Jeff Teague and Jrue Holliday were all stars under Bud, it's not the coach.

They same issues as last year are rearing their head, it's the players.
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I voted keep overpaying(for now)…I’m not going to overreact early in the season when we are not healthy. I don’t like blowing it up mid-season. I’d wait till the off-season. I’d look at a lot of things in the off-season.

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TOO wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:16 am
ShelC wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:55 am
AmareIsGod wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:21 am
ShelC wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:28 am
That's even more reason why he's need to be off the ball, working off screens to create space or get some mismatches. MJ and Kobe aged the same way and relied on angles and footwork, which he still has. We're just asking him to beat a double team 30 ft from the basket. And not only that, we're screening small on small so he's got two quick perimeter players doubling him rather instead of a slower big he can get around.
It's too bad we didn't get multiple capable PGs on the off-season.
Or a coach who knows how to use them.
Jeff Teague and Jrue Holliday were all stars under Bud, it's not the coach.

They same issues as last year are rearing their head, it's the players.
Bingo bango bongo.

And it's not the role players.

Nurk, Jones, Allen, Morris, Oneal, Dunn, Oso and Plumlee are a good enough supporting cast to surround two "supermax" players and win a majority of their games.

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So the players are actively ignoring the coach and he's sitting there allowing it? Still a coaching problem.

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ShelC wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 10:04 am
So the players are actively ignoring the coach and he's sitting there allowing it? Still a coaching problem.
No, star players are playing like dog shit and the supporting cast isn't good enough to carry the extra weight.
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