2020 Election Thread

[Superbone]

This guy is nuts. He blames everybody. FOX News was in on the scam he says. The Republican governors in the states Trump lost were in on it too he says. He says Trump easily won by 10 million votes. How does he know? They changed the algorithms.

THEY WERE IN ON IT!’ MyPillow Guy Accuses Fox News of Rigging Election Against Trump in Bonkers Rally Speech
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/they- ... ly-speech/

I will never buy anything from the MyPillow guy. I guess he already made his millions and can now align with 40% of the country who can continue to buy his crap pillows.

[Indy]

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

It’s Twitter, FaceBook etc. that are protected by 230. The nuts posting this garbage aren’t protected by 230, but they’re generally protected by the First Amendment as long as they’re not making malicious accusations against anyone specific. As long as the conspirators are a vague “they,” you can post away.

If they are spreading the news via those platforms, including YT (or social media platforms based in other countries), the main company is protected. So the worst thing that can happen is the platform censoring them. So there is no accountability like there would be for a company actually publishing news.

[Cap]

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

It’s Twitter, FaceBook etc. that are protected by 230. The nuts posting this garbage aren’t protected by 230, but they’re generally protected by the First Amendment as long as they’re not making malicious accusations against anyone specific. As long as the conspirators are a vague “they,” you can post away.

If they are spreading the news via those platforms, including YT (or social media platforms based in other countries), the main company is protected. So the worst thing that can happen is the platform censoring them. So there is no accountability like there would be for a company actually publishing news.

There's no legal accountability for actual news publishers publishing this kind of thing, just a loss of credibility. It only creates a tort if they defame somebody (malicious accusations against someone specific). Crazy conspiracy theories about a vaguely defined "them" aren't actionable.

[Indy]

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

It’s Twitter, FaceBook etc. that are protected by 230. The nuts posting this garbage aren’t protected by 230, but they’re generally protected by the First Amendment as long as they’re not making malicious accusations against anyone specific. As long as the conspirators are a vague “they,” you can post away.

If they are spreading the news via those platforms, including YT (or social media platforms based in other countries), the main company is protected. So the worst thing that can happen is the platform censoring them. So there is no accountability like there would be for a company actually publishing news.

There's no legal accountability for actual news publishers publishing this kind of thing, just a loss of credibility. It only creates a tort if they defame somebody (malicious accusations against someone specific). Crazy conspiracy theories about a vaguely defined "them" aren't actionable.

You don't think that claims dereliction of duty against the AG don't open themselves up for a defamation suit? I agree if they are generic assaults like Fox News does, but some of the other fringe "news" folks are saying much worse. Also, claiming specific poll workers, by name, are falsifying election results certainly opens themselves up for it.

[In2ition]

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

What led you down the rabbit hole of nonsense and conspiracy theory insanity? I mean, I know you've always been conservative but what got you hook line and sinker to buy into everything Trump and his base spewed your way? Is there an ounce of you that says "you know what. It's likely that when if there are some slip ups with the numbers here and there, likely similar to every election in modern history, Trump isn't overcoming this loss." Or so you really believe, deep down, Trump won the election and there is enough evidence (mind you that he, not anyone (Guiliani, etc) had actually presented) that you're actually aware of and have seen that will overturn the results?

You're throwing around baseless conjecture at this point with not an ounce of evidence or facts to present any of us, other than "Guiliani said" while making that appear to be some sort of marker of honesty and reality along with the fact that Guiliani has been saying without actually sharing any evidence that he has some sort of red flag.

How can 50+ cases be thrown out, up to now, with Texas being the supposed big win that the Supreme Court rejected without people doing their part to look at this evidence? You claim they aren't looking at it but I mean, what in the actual hell have you seen that, evidence wise, that has you convinced that everyone else in the courts seems to be ignoring?

I had a bit too much whiskey last night so apologies for this incoherent wall of text. I'm just baffled by people that are pretty intelligent like In2ition somehow aligning themselves with such a racist, sexist and morally bankrupt POS human like Donald Trump. The fact so many Americans align with him is the biggest thing that keeps me up at night with worry.

I reject those characterizations of the President as BS. Obviously, you're not the only one to spew this, but I haven't seen this to date that hasn't been debunked.

[In2ition]

What do you guys know about the 2018 Executive Order signed by Trump?

[AmareIsGod]

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

What led you down the rabbit hole of nonsense and conspiracy theory insanity? I mean, I know you've always been conservative but what got you hook line and sinker to buy into everything Trump and his base spewed your way? Is there an ounce of you that says "you know what. It's likely that when if there are some slip ups with the numbers here and there, likely similar to every election in modern history, Trump isn't overcoming this loss." Or so you really believe, deep down, Trump won the election and there is enough evidence (mind you that he, not anyone (Guiliani, etc) had actually presented) that you're actually aware of and have seen that will overturn the results?

You're throwing around baseless conjecture at this point with not an ounce of evidence or facts to present any of us, other than "Guiliani said" while making that appear to be some sort of marker of honesty and reality along with the fact that Guiliani has been saying without actually sharing any evidence that he has some sort of red flag.

How can 50+ cases be thrown out, up to now, with Texas being the supposed big win that the Supreme Court rejected without people doing their part to look at this evidence? You claim they aren't looking at it but I mean, what in the actual hell have you seen that, evidence wise, that has you convinced that everyone else in the courts seems to be ignoring?

I had a bit too much whiskey last night so apologies for this incoherent wall of text. I'm just baffled by people that are pretty intelligent like In2ition somehow aligning themselves with such a racist, sexist and morally bankrupt POS human like Donald Trump. The fact so many Americans align with him is the biggest thing that keeps me up at night with worry.

I reject those characterizations of the President as BS. Obviously, you're not the only one to spew this, but I haven't seen this to date that hasn't been debunked.

So he's a man of high regard and character? His actions as a person, a businessman and as POTUS, along with his activity on Twitter are representative of a good person? You can't be serious...

[Superbone]

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

What led you down the rabbit hole of nonsense and conspiracy theory insanity? I mean, I know you've always been conservative but what got you hook line and sinker to buy into everything Trump and his base spewed your way? Is there an ounce of you that says "you know what. It's likely that when if there are some slip ups with the numbers here and there, likely similar to every election in modern history, Trump isn't overcoming this loss." Or so you really believe, deep down, Trump won the election and there is enough evidence (mind you that he, not anyone (Guiliani, etc) had actually presented) that you're actually aware of and have seen that will overturn the results?

You're throwing around baseless conjecture at this point with not an ounce of evidence or facts to present any of us, other than "Guiliani said" while making that appear to be some sort of marker of honesty and reality along with the fact that Guiliani has been saying without actually sharing any evidence that he has some sort of red flag.

How can 50+ cases be thrown out, up to now, with Texas being the supposed big win that the Supreme Court rejected without people doing their part to look at this evidence? You claim they aren't looking at it but I mean, what in the actual hell have you seen that, evidence wise, that has you convinced that everyone else in the courts seems to be ignoring?

I had a bit too much whiskey last night so apologies for this incoherent wall of text. I'm just baffled by people that are pretty intelligent like In2ition somehow aligning themselves with such a racist, sexist and morally bankrupt POS human like Donald Trump. The fact so many Americans align with him is the biggest thing that keeps me up at night with worry.

I reject those characterizations of the President as BS. Obviously, you're not the only one to spew this, but I haven't seen this to date that hasn't been debunked.

I’d love to see these “debunkings” made by rational people if they were to exist. (Actually, don’t bother as there are no such things.)

[Indy]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

[Superbone]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand. “You can do anything you want like grab them by the pussy.” and “Stand back and stand by.” are two classics.

[AmareIsGod]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand.

How do you debunk, just off the top of my head, him having an affair with a porn star while married? Or his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein at one time? His references regarding China when it comes to Covid-19 aren't at all racist In2ition? I don't have enough time in the day to start listing his transgressions. I'm at a loss trying to figure out how you believe him to be a good person besides the fact that you think he was a good POTUS.

[Indy]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand. “You can do anything you want like grab them by the pussy.” and “Stand back and stand by.” are two classics.

And if you don't see the racism and sexism and xenophobia in his statements and actions, you might want to look in the mirror. All of us have some level of these, as it is a spectrum. But not seeing Trump as on the far end of this spectrum means you might be further towards that side than you think.

[AmareIsGod]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand. “You can do anything you want like grab them by the pussy.” and “Stand back and stand by.” are two classics.

And if you don't see the racism and sexism and xenophobia in his statements and actions, you might want to look in the mirror. All of us have some level of these, as it is a spectrum. But not seeing Trump as on the far end of this spectrum means you might be further towards that side than you think.

It's pretty simple. Would any of you feel comfortable with your daughters dating any of the Trump kin? Would you be comfortable with your wife spending time around Donald Trump? Do you feel a sense of pride when explaining who Donald Trump is to your children and hope they look up to him as any sort of role model?

[In2ition]

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

What led you down the rabbit hole of nonsense and conspiracy theory insanity? I mean, I know you've always been conservative but what got you hook line and sinker to buy into everything Trump and his base spewed your way? Is there an ounce of you that says "you know what. It's likely that when if there are some slip ups with the numbers here and there, likely similar to every election in modern history, Trump isn't overcoming this loss." Or so you really believe, deep down, Trump won the election and there is enough evidence (mind you that he, not anyone (Guiliani, etc) had actually presented) that you're actually aware of and have seen that will overturn the results?

You're throwing around baseless conjecture at this point with not an ounce of evidence or facts to present any of us, other than "Guiliani said" while making that appear to be some sort of marker of honesty and reality along with the fact that Guiliani has been saying without actually sharing any evidence that he has some sort of red flag.

How can 50+ cases be thrown out, up to now, with Texas being the supposed big win that the Supreme Court rejected without people doing their part to look at this evidence? You claim they aren't looking at it but I mean, what in the actual hell have you seen that, evidence wise, that has you convinced that everyone else in the courts seems to be ignoring?

I had a bit too much whiskey last night so apologies for this incoherent wall of text. I'm just baffled by people that are pretty intelligent like In2ition somehow aligning themselves with such a racist, sexist and morally bankrupt POS human like Donald Trump. The fact so many Americans align with him is the biggest thing that keeps me up at night with worry.

I reject those characterizations of the President as BS. Obviously, you're not the only one to spew this, but I haven't seen this to date that hasn't been debunked.

So he's a man of high regard and character? His actions as a person, a businessman and as POTUS, along with his activity on Twitter are representative of a good person? You can't be serious...

Activity on Twitter? Idk what that means.
What did he do again?

[In2ition]

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

What led you down the rabbit hole of nonsense and conspiracy theory insanity? I mean, I know you've always been conservative but what got you hook line and sinker to buy into everything Trump and his base spewed your way? Is there an ounce of you that says "you know what. It's likely that when if there are some slip ups with the numbers here and there, likely similar to every election in modern history, Trump isn't overcoming this loss." Or so you really believe, deep down, Trump won the election and there is enough evidence (mind you that he, not anyone (Guiliani, etc) had actually presented) that you're actually aware of and have seen that will overturn the results?

You're throwing around baseless conjecture at this point with not an ounce of evidence or facts to present any of us, other than "Guiliani said" while making that appear to be some sort of marker of honesty and reality along with the fact that Guiliani has been saying without actually sharing any evidence that he has some sort of red flag.

How can 50+ cases be thrown out, up to now, with Texas being the supposed big win that the Supreme Court rejected without people doing their part to look at this evidence? You claim they aren't looking at it but I mean, what in the actual hell have you seen that, evidence wise, that has you convinced that everyone else in the courts seems to be ignoring?

I had a bit too much whiskey last night so apologies for this incoherent wall of text. I'm just baffled by people that are pretty intelligent like In2ition somehow aligning themselves with such a racist, sexist and morally bankrupt POS human like Donald Trump. The fact so many Americans align with him is the biggest thing that keeps me up at night with worry.

I reject those characterizations of the President as BS. Obviously, you're not the only one to spew this, but I haven't seen this to date that hasn't been debunked.

I’d love to see these “debunkings” made by rational people if they were to exist. (Actually, don’t bother as there are no such things.)

Make a specific claim, instead of generalities and we'll see where it goes.

[In2ition]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand. “You can do anything you want like grab them by the pussy.” and “Stand back and stand by.” are two classics.

And if you don't see the racism and sexism and xenophobia in his statements and actions, you might want to look in the mirror. All of us have some level of these, as it is a spectrum. But not seeing Trump as on the far end of this spectrum means you might be further towards that side than you think.

It's pretty simple. Would any of you feel comfortable with your daughters dating any of the Trump kin? Would you be comfortable with your wife spending time around Donald Trump? Do you feel a sense of pride when explaining who Donald Trump is to your children and hope they look up to him as any sort of role model?

I assume you used this same standard with Biden and his kin?

[In2ition]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand. “You can do anything you want like grab them by the pussy.” and “Stand back and stand by.” are two classics.

And if you don't see the racism and sexism and xenophobia in his statements and actions, you might want to look in the mirror. All of us have some level of these, as it is a spectrum. But not seeing Trump as on the far end of this spectrum means you might be further towards that side than you think.

This comes off as a personal attack on me. You want a piece of me Indy? I'm not going to sit back and let some super arrogant fuck take pot shots at me.

[In2ition]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand.

How do you debunk, just off the top of my head, him having an affair with a porn star while married? Or his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein at one time? His references regarding China when it comes to Covid-19 aren't at all racist In2ition? I don't have enough time in the day to start listing his transgressions. I'm at a loss trying to figure out how you believe him to be a good person besides the fact that you think he was a good POTUS.

I'm not going to defend every action of his. Like I wouldn't defend JFK or Clinton for their actions either. He did know Epstein, but I don't know if he knew about Epstein. There are documents that he assisted authorities in helping take down Epstein later on, and kicked him out of Mara Lago later. I don't know of any flight logs or evidence that he has been to Epstein Island.

[Indy]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand. “You can do anything you want like grab them by the pussy.” and “Stand back and stand by.” are two classics.

And if you don't see the racism and sexism and xenophobia in his statements and actions, you might want to look in the mirror. All of us have some level of these, as it is a spectrum. But not seeing Trump as on the far end of this spectrum means you might be further towards that side than you think.

This comes off as a personal attack on me. You want a piece of me Indy? I'm not going to sit back and let some super arrogant fuck take pot shots at me.

It isn't a pot shot, or a personal attack. And it isn't arrogance. Anyone that supports a clear racist is, at the very least, OK with some racism. Anyone that supports a sexist is, at the very least, OK with some sexism. Same with xenophobia. Or lying. Or paying people off to be quiet about misdeeds.

I am fine defending the logic of these statements. If you take that as a personal attack, that is on you.

I have plenty of people in my family that supported/support Trump. And I have said the exact same thing to them. Some take offense, some don't. The most racist/sexist/xenophobes are the ones that don't really argue or try to defend it. The ones that pretend they are not that way are the first to get offended and upset.

You either know who you are or you don't. If you are a blonde and I call you a brunette, you don't get upset and say it is a personal attack. You laugh and point at me and say I am clearly wrong. If you are a blonde and I call you a blonde, you say yeah, what's your point. I guess we can argue about where blonde turns into brunette, and what that spectrum looks like, but there is definitely a spectrum and we are not always the best judge about where we sit on it. That goes for all of us.

[AmareIsGod]

Anyone claiming that Trump is not a racist or misogynist is like that abused spouse that keeps defending her husband.

Exactly. He’s showed his hand. “You can do anything you want like grab them by the pussy.” and “Stand back and stand by.” are two classics.

And if you don't see the racism and sexism and xenophobia in his statements and actions, you might want to look in the mirror. All of us have some level of these, as it is a spectrum. But not seeing Trump as on the far end of this spectrum means you might be further towards that side than you think.

This comes off as a personal attack on me. You want a piece of me Indy? I'm not going to sit back and let some super arrogant fuck take pot shots at me.

But it's liberals that are violent.