So now you listen to flex? What about Gambo? He’s not saying no anymore. This is clearly realJeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 amEven Flex is still saying that we are not shopping him, that other teams are calling and we are listening. That's all. He says other teams are interested because of his Bahamas performance and because they saw what happened with Mikal after he left Phoenix. These teams are thinking that Ayton could be the next Mikal (meaning Suns/Monty was holding him back), per Flex.ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:28 amWhether or not a deal goes down, I'm not sure how fans can claim we haven't been shopping or looking to trade DA. It's been going on since the draft and we're clearly looking to move on from him for one reason or another - be it his play, his contract, whatever. If he were on solid ground here, there'd be no talk around him whatsoever and certainly no rumors about including him in a deal for Nurk.
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It depended on the game in that series. I didn't say he was good. What I said was that Landale did not "outplay" him.
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Counting the year he had a tib-fib fracture doesn’t seem fair. He’s averaged 54 games a year the last two..seems much more relevant. That moves up to 70 a year if those 33 games he sat so Portland can tank are taken out.
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Gambo is saying the same thing as Flex. They will listen to offers. Same as they always have.Split T wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:37 amSo now you listen to flex? What about Gambo? He’s not saying no anymore. This is clearly realJeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 amEven Flex is still saying that we are not shopping him, that other teams are calling and we are listening. That's all. He says other teams are interested because of his Bahamas performance and because they saw what happened with Mikal after he left Phoenix. These teams are thinking that Ayton could be the next Mikal (meaning Suns/Monty was holding him back), per Flex.ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:28 amWhether or not a deal goes down, I'm not sure how fans can claim we haven't been shopping or looking to trade DA. It's been going on since the draft and we're clearly looking to move on from him for one reason or another - be it his play, his contract, whatever. If he were on solid ground here, there'd be no talk around him whatsoever and certainly no rumors about including him in a deal for Nurk.
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Since when do you take +/- as gospel?
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Gambo is certainly saying something different than he was earlier this summerJeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:40 amGambo is saying the same thing as Flex. They will listen to offers. Same as they always have.Split T wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:37 amSo now you listen to flex? What about Gambo? He’s not saying no anymore. This is clearly realJeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 amEven Flex is still saying that we are not shopping him, that other teams are calling and we are listening. That's all. He says other teams are interested because of his Bahamas performance and because they saw what happened with Mikal after he left Phoenix. These teams are thinking that Ayton could be the next Mikal (meaning Suns/Monty was holding him back), per Flex.ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:28 amWhether or not a deal goes down, I'm not sure how fans can claim we haven't been shopping or looking to trade DA. It's been going on since the draft and we're clearly looking to move on from him for one reason or another - be it his play, his contract, whatever. If he were on solid ground here, there'd be no talk around him whatsoever and certainly no rumors about including him in a deal for Nurk.
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We're also not hanging up the phone and saying he's off limits. So clearly, we're open to moving him. Teams could call about Book and we'd hang up. We wouldn't listen.
And given how quickly we moved on signing Eubanks in FA, we're likely familiar with the Blazers roster. The FO/scouts may be aware of something we're not in terms of ability and/or fit. In terms of health, to me they're more freak injuries. A broken leg that kept him out a year and a wrist fracture that kept him out 2 months. He's not coming off of ACL or Achilles injuries or anything.
And given how quickly we moved on signing Eubanks in FA, we're likely familiar with the Blazers roster. The FO/scouts may be aware of something we're not in terms of ability and/or fit. In terms of health, to me they're more freak injuries. A broken leg that kept him out a year and a wrist fracture that kept him out 2 months. He's not coming off of ACL or Achilles injuries or anything.
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Single game +/- is certainly not great…But over a playoff series it means something. Not gospel, but something.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:43 amSince when do you take +/- as gospel?
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Different than mid-to-late June and on yes. But not different than what he said from mid-May to mid-June when he was expecting Ayton to get traded this summer.Split T wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:43 amGambo is certainly saying something different than he was earlier this summerJeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:40 amGambo is saying the same thing as Flex. They will listen to offers. Same as they always have.Split T wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:37 amSo now you listen to flex? What about Gambo? He’s not saying no anymore. This is clearly realJeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 amEven Flex is still saying that we are not shopping him, that other teams are calling and we are listening. That's all. He says other teams are interested because of his Bahamas performance and because they saw what happened with Mikal after he left Phoenix. These teams are thinking that Ayton could be the next Mikal (meaning Suns/Monty was holding him back), per Flex.ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:28 amWhether or not a deal goes down, I'm not sure how fans can claim we haven't been shopping or looking to trade DA. It's been going on since the draft and we're clearly looking to move on from him for one reason or another - be it his play, his contract, whatever. If he were on solid ground here, there'd be no talk around him whatsoever and certainly no rumors about including him in a deal for Nurk.
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What makes you so confident? Sounds more like wishful thinking
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So now the narrative is that Monty held Mikal back? In what way, exactly?JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 amEven Flex is still saying that we are not shopping him, that other teams are calling and we are listening. That's all. He says other teams are interested because of his Bahamas performance and because they saw what happened with Mikal after he left Phoenix. These teams are thinking that Ayton could be the next Mikal (meaning Suns/Monty was holding him back), per Flex.
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Because Ayton and Mikal were boys and when Monty hurt Ayton's feelings; it hurt Mikals feelings too... I'm assuming.
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I don't know, ask Flex. I'm assuming he's saying these teams believe that Mikal and DA were both held back through a combination of talent ahead of them and coaching.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:27 amSo now the narrative is that Monty held Mikal back? In what way, exactly?JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 amEven Flex is still saying that we are not shopping him, that other teams are calling and we are listening. That's all. He says other teams are interested because of his Bahamas performance and because they saw what happened with Mikal after he left Phoenix. These teams are thinking that Ayton could be the next Mikal (meaning Suns/Monty was holding him back), per Flex.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
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Sorry, but nobody is thinking Ayton could be the next Mikal.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 amEven Flex is still saying that we are not shopping him, that other teams are calling and we are listening. That's all. He says other teams are interested because of his Bahamas performance and because they saw what happened with Mikal after he left Phoenix. These teams are thinking that Ayton could be the next Mikal (meaning Suns/Monty was holding him back), per Flex.ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:28 amWhether or not a deal goes down, I'm not sure how fans can claim we haven't been shopping or looking to trade DA. It's been going on since the draft and we're clearly looking to move on from him for one reason or another - be it his play, his contract, whatever. If he were on solid ground here, there'd be no talk around him whatsoever and certainly no rumors about including him in a deal for Nurk.
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He was. Two years ago.
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A comparison of Ayton at his worst and Landale at his best is not reasonable. Furthermore, comparing per 36 is disingenuous. Landale can't play like that for 36 mins.
Ayton is better than how he played vs Denver, and Landale is worse.
Ayton for Nurkic is a dumb trade. The only reason to do it is to get below the 2nd Apron. It won't benefit them much. Who would they get with the TPMLE? And, if they use it, then they are over the Apron again, so what's point?
I don't see a player that would be included that would move the needle. Caleb Martin isn't good enough. Maybe Hield (how exactly does Indy get involved?), but the Suns need high quality role players, which Hield is not good at.
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