Royce and Richards. That should be the offer and we shouldn’t budge.
I don’t even want to give up Grayson for him.
I'm mostly with you but Grayson and Royce are interchangeable for me. One shoots better and one plays better defense.
Grayson is better at creating offense, actually fills a need (backup 2), didn't check out halfway through last season, and isn't totally redundant with Dunn, Brooks, NHD and Fleming.
Royce and Richards. That should be the offer and we shouldn’t budge.
I don’t even want to give up Grayson for him.
I'm mostly with you but Grayson and Royce are interchangeable for me. One shoots better and one plays better defense.
Grayson is better at creating offense, actually fills a need (backup 2), didn't check out halfway through last season, and isn't totally redundant with Dunn, Brooks, NHD and Fleming.
I'm curious why you think Royce is worse at creating offense than Allen, is not a backup 2, and has anything in common with our bigger forwards.
Ah yes the old let's throw the Suns into something for clicks. Why would anyone be like this is what we turned down? GTFO
I'm with you. I've seen it cause discussion elsewhere with people saying we should have taken the deal (if it was even true). I totally disagree. Maluach may not instantly be a great basketball player for us but he's got a great personality, work ethic, length, and skills that will only improve. He's exactly the type of player the BG regime is targeting and he fell to us. I take the known quantity almost every time rather than some unknown future result.
This is aggregation gone wrong. Hollinger is wondering if the Suns could have taken the offer that was made to the Hawks. No one knows if it was even made to the Suns. Although it is a good "what-if?" That Hornets pick will likely be really high in a great draft.
Royce and Richards. That should be the offer and we shouldn’t budge.
I don’t even want to give up Grayson for him.
I'm mostly with you but Grayson and Royce are interchangeable for me. One shoots better and one plays better defense.
Grayson is better at creating offense, actually fills a need (backup 2), didn't check out halfway through last season, and isn't totally redundant with Dunn, Brooks, NHD and Fleming.
I'm curious why you think Royce is worse at creating offense than Allen, is not a backup 2, and has anything in common with our bigger forwards.
Royce has historically played at the 3, which is the best position for Dunn, Brooks, and NHD. Those 3 will also likely get their offense from standing on the perimeter taking shots generated by others (whether at the 3 point line or via a cut). Royce has also shown very little ability to break anyone down off the dribble. Grayson is much better in that regards.
Notice that the tweet doesn't link an article? Did Hollinger actually report that? I searched theatheltic.com to see if I could find the Hollinger report. This is all I could find; albeit I only searched recent articles.
Khaman Maluach, Suns: Could the Suns have done what Atlanta did and walked away from the draft with an unprotected future first from the Pelicans and the 23rd pick instead of staying at No. 10? Discussion over whether Phoenix fumbled the bag by not taking the New Orleans offer will only heighten if Maluach can’t give the Suns a quality big.
Phoenix opted to take the Duke project, and I’ll emphasize the word “project” here; his was a rough entry to professional basketball. The 7-1 Maluach only posted a 13.5 percent rebound rate, took nearly half his shots from 3 and had one assist in 70 minutes. Watching from courtside made me more concerned about his hands, as contested rebounds and alley-oop opportunities escaped him at times.
It doesn't explicitly report that the Suns were offered that deal. “Could the Suns have done what Atlanta did…” is speculative and doesn’t cite direct sourcing. The implication that the Suns “turned down” the offer is inferred. All the other reports are from news aggregators that re-report the claim with, again, no source.
I despise "news aggregators" for many reasons; this kind of crap is a big one.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2025 7:53 am
by O_Gardino
Seems like we are watching 2 different players.
Just because Royce was the starting 3 in Utah next to Conley and Mitchell does not make him a natural 3. He was just the strongest of their 3 guard lineup. At 6'4, RO is an undersized SG who can play up to SF because of his strength and long arms.
As for creating off the dribble, RO drive a lot. Maybe someone with a subscription to an advanced stat site can get real data, but I see RO driving to the paint for kickouts far more often than Grayson. And that's how RO has consistently had more assists throughout his career. The one thing I'll give to Grayson is that he is younger and has been attacking closeouts more over the last couple of seasons.
Notice that the tweet doesn't link an article? Did Hollinger actually report that? I searched theatheltic.com to see if I could find the Hollinger report. This is all I could find; albeit I only searched recent articles.
Khaman Maluach, Suns: Could the Suns have done what Atlanta did and walked away from the draft with an unprotected future first from the Pelicans and the 23rd pick instead of staying at No. 10? Discussion over whether Phoenix fumbled the bag by not taking the New Orleans offer will only heighten if Maluach can’t give the Suns a quality big.
Phoenix opted to take the Duke project, and I’ll emphasize the word “project” here; his was a rough entry to professional basketball. The 7-1 Maluach only posted a 13.5 percent rebound rate, took nearly half his shots from 3 and had one assist in 70 minutes. Watching from courtside made me more concerned about his hands, as contested rebounds and alley-oop opportunities escaped him at times.
It doesn't explicitly report that the Suns were offered that deal. “Could the Suns have done what Atlanta did…” is speculative and doesn’t cite direct sourcing. The implication that the Suns “turned down” the offer is inferred. All the other reports are from news aggregators that re-report the claim with, again, no source.
I despise "news aggregators" for many reasons; this kind of crap is a big one.
Wow, nice sleuthing. That's got to be what they were referencing due to the wordage. BG did say they had some offers for the 10th pick but of course he didn't say what they were.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2025 9:01 am
by O_Gardino
Here's a good visual of our salary situation as we've made moves this offseason. No new info, but I like seeing the data in color.