Suns News: Week 18 2/12-2/18

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Indy wrote:
specialsauce wrote:He doesn’t even understand why he’s not playing hard or well. Really disappointing
When you talk about Bender not being salvageable because his mental make-up is not being aggressive enough (even though he is 19), I think you are nuts. But when I read this article about Chriss, I can't find a way his mental make-up is salvageable because he talks as if the world is against him and there is nothing he can do about it. It is a completely different mindset than "the world is against me and I am going to show everyone how wrong they were about me."

Does that make me racist?
I don't think so, but I do think Chriss' attitude is salvageable. Don't know about the bball iq.

I think Bender is more naturally a #2 guy. He want's to support the team, and has to learn to trust his own body and talent. I think Chriss is depressed, and needs to talk to a counselor about it. I bet talking to the media makes it a lot worse.
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Indy wrote:
specialsauce wrote:He doesn’t even understand why he’s not playing hard or well. Really disappointing
When you talk about Bender not being salvageable because his mental make-up is not being aggressive enough (even though he is 19), I think you are nuts. But when I read this article about Chriss, I can't find a way his mental make-up is salvageable because he talks as if the world is against him and there is nothing he can do about it. It is a completely different mindset than "the world is against me and I am going to show everyone how wrong they were about me."

Does that make me racist?
No. One just happens to be black and the other white. If you reversed races and everything else was exactly the same, I think we'd all feel the same way. Speaking of Bender, I criticized him for his lack of intensity but I am now seeing glimpses. I am hoping that he can get there. Chriss is very immature but he is also very young. He needs a life coach badly.
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specialsauce wrote:
Indy wrote:
specialsauce wrote:He doesn’t even understand why he’s not playing hard or well. Really disappointing
When you talk about Bender not being salvageable because his mental make-up is not being aggressive enough (even though he is 19), I think you are nuts. But when I read this article about Chriss, I can't find a way his mental make-up is salvageable because he talks as if the world is against him and there is nothing he can do about it. It is a completely different mindset than "the world is against me and I am going to show everyone how wrong they were about me."

Does that make me racist?
Lol, maybe.

I also have more faith in Bender than Chriss. Two main reasons: I think Bender has more of an insight into his problems, he's well aware that he's too passive and is making an attempt at fixing that. He made strides for a few games (yet again has become irrelevant the last 2 games. really disappointing that he can't sustain any ounce of progress). However, he acknowledges the issue and seems to make a genuine effort to fix that.

Chriss has a horrible attitude, continues to bark and sulk on the court, and he doesn't even seem to acknowledge that his attitude is a real problem. I think Bender's problem is insecurity and personality, I think Chriss's issues come from entitlement. I have much less faith in him.

The other reason I have much less faith in Chriss is because frankly I don't think he has much basketball skill. He's an athlete. His skill level is marginal. M******f had the attitude but he had legitimate NBA talent. Bender has legitimate talent that he flashes when he is aggressive.
What I don't get is why Chriss misses so many dunks. He had another ally oop miss last night. He does have some extreme athleticism as seen by some of his blocks but I think he is lacking in the skills department. His 3 point shot is all over the place. Sometimes swishes, sometimes airballs, and sometimes banks it in.
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O_Gardino wrote:I think Chriss is depressed, and needs to talk to a counselor about it. I bet talking to the media makes it a lot worse.
Heh. We are on the same page there. Get a sports counselor in there STAT.
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Superbone wrote:
O_Gardino wrote:I think Chriss is depressed, and needs to talk to a counselor about it. I bet talking to the media makes it a lot worse.
Heh. We are on the same page there. Get a sports counselor in there STAT.
I'm pretty sure Amare is not the guy we want counseling him.

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Indy wrote:
Superbone wrote:
O_Gardino wrote:I think Chriss is depressed, and needs to talk to a counselor about it. I bet talking to the media makes it a lot worse.
Heh. We are on the same page there. Get a sports counselor in there STAT.
I'm pretty sure Amare is not the guy we want counseling him.
Actually Chriss could use a little Amare in his game

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"What I don't get is why Chriss misses so many dunks."

He may have small hands (no Trump jokes, please).

Ed Pinkney had the same problem. Somebody once said his fingers were like little sausages.
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That has always been my biggest issue when it came to dunking. I can't palm a ball.

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Yeah that has been my big hold-up, too. That and being 6'0" with a 8" vertical leap.

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It’s crazy to me that Kevin Durant says he can’t palm basketballs. The dude is 6’11”.

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Ya I doubt that's true. Maybe he doesn't have a vice grip on the ball with one hand like some guys, but I'm sure he can stand there and hold the ball in one hand.

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I can palm a ball. But I'm only 5'9 and at my best during my youth, I could barely smack the bottom of the backboard.
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These dunk and leaping references are too funny. I know the guys try meet up at Zipps I think is the right name, has there even been a Suns.net scrimmage ? :) :lol:
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bajanguy008 wrote:These dunk and leaping references are too funny. I know the guys try meet up at Zipps I think is the right name, has there even been a Suns.net scrimmage ? :) :lol:
Haha, I'd definitely be down. I still play a little but my best days are behind me. Definitely can't dunk anymore, even if I could palm a ball.

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Split T wrote:Ya I doubt that's true. Maybe he doesn't have a vice grip on the ball with one hand like some guys, but I'm sure he can stand there and hold the ball in one hand.
It seems crazy to me but I don’t have a reason not to believe him, I don’t why he would lie about it.
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Apparently he kinda can palm a ball

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Split T wrote:
bajanguy008 wrote:These dunk and leaping references are too funny. I know the guys try meet up at Zipps I think is the right name, has there even been a Suns.net scrimmage ? :) :lol:
Haha, I'd definitely be down. I still play a little but my best days are behind me. Definitely can't dunk anymore, even if I could palm a ball.
Any more? Best I ever could do was touch the rim. I still play 3 or 4 days a week.
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Haha. I also am 6'3, so that helped.

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Wally_West wrote:It’s crazy to me that Kevin Durant says he can’t palm basketballs. The dude is 6’11”.
He needs to hit the weights.

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I'm 6' 0.5" and can touch the rim but not even close to dunk. At my most athletic I could dunk on a slightly lowered hoop, barely. But I couldn't consistently jump high enough to even grab a 10' rim and hang on to it. Alas.

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