Jae Crowder trade request

[Shabazz]

I've always been a Jalen Johnson guy. He can't shoot right now, but he's got Ben Simmons-lite potential, without the same "issues." I think his shot is salvageable. He'd bring 3 things our team doesn't currently have - size at the 4, athleticism and youth.

I'd be happy with Justin Holiday and Johnson as a return. The only worry I'd have is Monty not giving JJ the development minutes and playing guys like D-Lee instead.

[Drewsprocket]

DA seems fine now that the money's worked out and he's getting more touches. Who's the 3rd?

And given our record and rep since he's been here, it's tough to make the case he's a coach players don't want to play for.

"Monty Williams...according to multiple sources, had something of a fallout with veteran leader Chris Paul." https://arizonasports.com/story/3147051 ... -collapse/

It’s a bit of a reach. CP3 with no legs would fight with any coach who wanted to bench him.

[In2ition]

DA seems fine now that the money's worked out and he's getting more touches. Who's the 3rd?

And given our record and rep since he's been here, it's tough to make the case he's a coach players don't want to play for.

"Monty Williams...according to multiple sources, had something of a fallout with veteran leader Chris Paul." https://arizonasports.com/story/3147051 ... -collapse/

It’s a bit of a reach. CP3 with no legs would fight with any coach who wanted to bench him.

Yeah, I saw CP3 reaching out to Monty right before halftime of the Nuggets game as they were walking off the floor. I think this is nothing and it's already over.

[JeremyG]

I said 3/5 of last season's starting lineup has been reported to have had problems with Monty--not that it's ongoing in every case.

Of course CP3 would fight to not get benched. But for multiple sources to say there was a falling out between the two likely means it was something worse during that playoff series than during the 2021 Lakers series where CP3 insisted on playing when Monty wanted to bench him.

[Cap]

DA seems fine now that the money's worked out and he's getting more touches.

Does he really seem fine? He’s not complaining publicly, but he could very well be unhappy and just keeping it indoors.

[Superbone]

It’s obvious your biases are clouding your judgement here, Jeremy. Monty is a players’ coach.

[JeremyG]

It’s obvious your biases are clouding your judgement here, Jeremy. Monty is a players’ coach.

I wish someone would have told that to Jae, so he didn't refuse to show up for work.

[INFORMER]

Crowder and Saric to the wizards for Will Barton and Deni Avdija

The Wizards just fleeced Denver for Barton; they're not going to move him.

But I am also interested in Avdija.

[INFORMER]

I've been wondering why we wouldn't have tried to bring Jae back on a 2 or 3 yr deal for 8-10mil a year. He's obviously worth it to us and would probably be OK coming off the bench with some financial security.

Obviously? And he would be ok coming off the bench making potentially less than the NTPMLE?

A lot of assumptions there, Shel.

[INFORMER]

I've always been a Jalen Johnson guy. He can't shoot right now, but he's got Ben Simmons-lite potential, without the same "issues." I think his shot is salvageable. He'd bring 3 things our team doesn't currently have - size at the 4, athleticism and youth.

I'd be happy with Justin Holiday and Johnson as a return. The only worry I'd have is Monty not giving JJ the development minutes and playing guys like D-Lee instead.

But you know James Jones doesn't know who Jalen Johnson is, right? The only reason he has a chance to be a Sun is because his salary fits well with Holiday's.

When I saw the other day that Atlanta exercised Johnson's option for next season, I was so relieved; if they had dealt him before making that move, you know Jones would have declined the option.

"I mean, Jalen (Johnson) isn't better than Torrey Craig."

-James Jones in the future

[INFORMER]

This was the most interesting (yet obvious) thing from the Yahoo article:

All this has left rival executives questioning why Phoenix barred Crowder from the team in the first place? Was he really that much of a malcontent? It’s considered a cardinal rule that when teams declare their design to trade a player, it intrinsically lowers his value.

“I thought the way Phoenix played the situation was strange,” one Western Conference executive told Yahoo Sports. “You’re not a super deep team. You’re a contender. Doesn’t it seem like there’s some other way to resolve this other than him sitting out and hurting your depth?”

“For Jae to hold out is pretty rare. It’s pretty extreme,” one Eastern Conference executive said. “It’s really interesting they didn’t just play hardball with him.”

[Shabazz]

I've always been a Jalen Johnson guy. He can't shoot right now, but he's got Ben Simmons-lite potential, without the same "issues." I think his shot is salvageable. He'd bring 3 things our team doesn't currently have - size at the 4, athleticism and youth.

I'd be happy with Justin Holiday and Johnson as a return. The only worry I'd have is Monty not giving JJ the development minutes and playing guys like D-Lee instead.

But you know James Jones doesn't know who Jalen Johnson is, right? The only reason he has a chance to be a Sun is because his salary fits well with Holiday's.

When I saw the other day that Atlanta exercised Johnson's option for next season, I was so relieved; if they had dealt him before making that move, you know Jones would have declined the option.

"I mean, Jalen (Johnson) isn't better than Torrey Craig."

-James Jones in the future

Unfortunately, I think Monty’s philosophy is very much in lock-step with JJ.

[Shabazz]

This was the most interesting (yet obvious) thing from the Yahoo article:

All this has left rival executives questioning why Phoenix barred Crowder from the team in the first place? Was he really that much of a malcontent? It’s considered a cardinal rule that when teams declare their design to trade a player, it intrinsically lowers his value.

“I thought the way Phoenix played the situation was strange,” one Western Conference executive told Yahoo Sports. “You’re not a super deep team. You’re a contender. Doesn’t it seem like there’s some other way to resolve this other than him sitting out and hurting your depth?”

“For Jae to hold out is pretty rare. It’s pretty extreme,” one Eastern Conference executive said. “It’s really interesting they didn’t just play hardball with him.”

This seemed more driven by Jae. He’s clearly been a malcontent all summer.

[Superbone]

It’s obvious your biases are clouding your judgement here, Jeremy. Monty is a players’ coach.

I wish someone would have told that to Jae, so he didn't refuse to show up for work.

Wow, you totally misread the situation. Jae was all about Jae. He was told he wasn’t going to start and so he started squawking all summer long. He was then asked not to come to camp. Not the other way around. You can’t just make everything fit your narrative.

[ShelC]

I've been wondering why we wouldn't have tried to bring Jae back on a 2 or 3 yr deal for 8-10mil a year. He's obviously worth it to us and would probably be OK coming off the bench with some financial security.

Obviously? And he would be ok coming off the bench making potentially less than the NTPMLE?

A lot of assumptions there, Shel.

I'm pretty confident in those assumptions, Inf.

[TOO]

It’s obvious your biases are clouding your judgement here, Jeremy. Monty is a players’ coach.

I wish someone would have told that to Jae, so he didn't refuse to show up for work.

Jae is butthurt because Cam is gonna start and finish games. Not sure what you're on about here. I'm not a big Monty guy but he's definitely not the reason Crowder is at home while they look to trade him.

[Drewsprocket]

It’s obvious your biases are clouding your judgement here, Jeremy. Monty is a players’ coach.

I wish someone would have told that to Jae, so he didn't refuse to show up for work.

Jae asked for a contract extension and sees the writing on the wall. He caught feelings this off-season seeing his ass dangle around. He needs to go ball out for a team that wants to pay him.

[Indy]

This was the most interesting (yet obvious) thing from the Yahoo article:

All this has left rival executives questioning why Phoenix barred Crowder from the team in the first place? Was he really that much of a malcontent? It’s considered a cardinal rule that when teams declare their design to trade a player, it intrinsically lowers his value.

“I thought the way Phoenix played the situation was strange,” one Western Conference executive told Yahoo Sports. “You’re not a super deep team. You’re a contender. Doesn’t it seem like there’s some other way to resolve this other than him sitting out and hurting your depth?”

“For Jae to hold out is pretty rare. It’s pretty extreme,” one Eastern Conference executive said. “It’s really interesting they didn’t just play hardball with him.”

This seemed more driven by Jae. He’s clearly been a malcontent all summer.

Exactly. The article has so much conjecture but is reporting it as fact. I mean it just took a few hours before they had to retract a portion of the story (about CamJ not being offered).

[JeremyG]

It’s obvious your biases are clouding your judgement here, Jeremy. Monty is a players’ coach.

I wish someone would have told that to Jae, so he didn't refuse to show up for work.

Wow, you totally misread the situation. Jae was all about Jae. He was told he wasn’t going to start and so he started squawking all summer long. He was then asked not to come to camp. Not the other way around. You can’t just make everything fit your narrative.

Where's your evidence that he was "asked not to come to camp"? The announcement about a "mutual" agreement for him to stay home was two days after he tweeted (then deleted) that he was not going to be there.

[JeremyG]

It’s obvious your biases are clouding your judgement here, Jeremy. Monty is a players’ coach.

I wish someone would have told that to Jae, so he didn't refuse to show up for work.

Jae is butthurt because Cam is gonna start and finish games. Not sure what you're on about here. I'm not a big Monty guy but he's definitely not the reason Crowder is at home while they look to trade him.

It sounds like his issues with Monty were the start of his malcontentedness. But yes, the tipping point of his refusal to play was due to developments which followed--mainly the lack of future financial security caused by the lack of starting combined with the lack of an extension. Which is why I think offering him an extension even now could perhaps smooth things over with him--if it weren't for his issues with Monty. That combination may be too much to overcome to keep him on the team at this point.