How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

[INFORMER]

Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a coach.

James Jones says, "Hold my beer."

[Split T]

The report is coming from Chris Haynes, which means the source is Chris Paul. It's clearly in Paul's best interest to not get traded and receive the $15M not guaranteed on the last year of his deal.

Suns can’t really trade him without guaranteeing the 15 million. He only counts for his guaranteed money going out when being traded.

That isn't true.

What is then? This is what I heard recently

[INFORMER]

Unguaranteed salary still counts the same as guaranteed salary in a trade.

[Split T]

It used to, I don’t think it does anymore. I found this on cbafaq:

A similar technique involved trading players with high salaries and small guarantees, such as when Cleveland traded Brendan Haywood to Portland in 2015. However, for contracts signed during the current CBA only the guaranteed portion of the player's salary is counted as outgoing salary for trade purposes, so the usefulness of these contracts as trade chips is reduced1

[INFORMER]

You're right. I was thinking there had been recent trades involving players with partial guarantees and teams acquiring to waive them and save money. I thought of the Spurs acquisition of Danillo Gallinari as an example. But here was the rub:



And here is a more recent confirmation of your understanding (Spotrac):

Another key difference: Unlike pending free agents, who can’t be traded, non-guaranteed players can be traded, whether at the draft or in the offseason (prior to their guarantee date). The key is that players only count in trades for the amount of their guarantee.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/projecting ... 0guarantee.

[In2ition]

Being that I think it's time for the Suns to move on from CP3 and find high level PG to take over.

With Booker and Durant, I don't think the Suns need a high level point guard.

SA may be trying to immediately build a winner, while also keeping an eye on building for the future(if they are smart, and I think they are). They have a lot of 1st round picks in the near future, along with a good amount of cap space next year. Would you offer CP3 for picks in the future, if the Suns already have a bead on an upgrade to CP3 for next season?

I don't think the Spurs would have any interest in trading for Chris Paul.

You're probably correct about these.

[Split T]

Ok, who says no? Assume Scoot is on the board.

Portland out: Nurkic, Little, #3
Portland in: Ayton, #6

Orlando out: Fultz, #6
Orlando in: Nurkic, #3

Phoenix out: Ayton
Phoenix in: Fultz, Little

[Flagrant Fowl]

That’s pretty good for everyone, I think.

Orlando would probably hesitate because I think don’t think they want to get younger even if Scoot will probably be better than Fultz very soon.

[Mori Chu]

I don't think that is a very impressive return for us if we trade Ayton.

[JeremyG]

Ok, who says no? Assume Scoot is on the board.

Portland out: Nurkic, Little, #3
Portland in: Ayton, #6

Orlando out: Fultz, #6
Orlando in: Nurkic, #3

Phoenix out: Ayton
Phoenix in: Fultz, Little

Phoenix. Duh.

Why would we trade Ayton for an actual #1 pick bust and a scrub?

[JeremyG]

The more I keep thinking about it the more convinced I am that we need to trade Kevin Durant before he declines any further. Try to get a young star and a couple picks back.

[Flagrant Fowl]

Ayton is a bust.

[JeremyG]

Ayton is a bust.

LOL. I bet most teams who have had a #1 bust wish they could've drafted an 18/10 center (who can obviously average more than that given a different coach).

If you want to see what a bust center looks like, go look up Michael Olowakandi or Kwame Brown's numbers.

[TOO]

The more I keep thinking about it the more convinced I am that we need to trade Kevin Durant before he declines any further. Try to get a young star and a couple picks back.

0% chance this happens.

[Wally_West]

Yeah, not really a fan of that deal, doesn’t really improve our depth at all, no draft pick either, not even a measly 2nd round pick. Fultz is nice but hes a bad shooter who’s injury concerns are worse than CP’s.

The rumored Mavs deal would be a better imo. Get a good young prospect on Green, THJ is a solid role player who can get his own shot, who’s able to randomly go off for 20+. McGee sucks but like Shel said, maybe you can get bullock instead. The 10th pick would be a great get, you can still draft a solid player who can help you you now( *cough* Dick *cough*), or use in trade, the 10th pick and Shamet could bring back a decent player, prefer to keep the puck tho.

[Wally_West]

The more I keep thinking about it the more convinced I am that we need to trade Kevin Durant before he declines any further. Try to get a young star and a couple picks back.

Book is going to get old one day, we should trade him now while he’s still young and his value is sky high.

[Mori Chu]

Ayton is a bust.

I wouldn't say that. He's a disappointment, certainly. But a "bust" is a guy you can't even play, a guy who washes out of the league. Ayton is overpaid but he's for sure an NBA starting center.

[Flagrant Fowl]

Ayton is a bust.

I wouldn't say that. He's a disappointment, certainly. But a "bust" is a guy you can't even play, a guy who washes out of the league. Ayton is overpaid but he's for sure an NBA starting center.

I agree.

My comment was in response to calling Fultz a bust, which I don't think is really true of either guy.

[ShelC]

Anthony Bennett was a bust. DA is serviceable but not a franchise #1 pick cornerstone type.

[Split T]

I feel like DA and Fultz are comparable players. Both haven’t lived up to their draft status at 1. The thing is Ayton is checked out here. I’m probably higher on Fultz than most though. He never got his 3-point shot back, but he’s solid in the mid range, he’s big, he can get to the rim and he’s a very good defender. I think he’s a great pg next to Book. Ideally you’d want him to shoot, but then he wouldn’t be available.

Little is a big wing. He’s got some promise. He’s nothing special, but maybe a younger Torrey Craig with some upside.

It’s not a great return, but it’s about what I’d expect from an Ayton trade. I’d be fine with it…anything less would probably be a no for me, but it’s my baseline yes trade. I do like THJ/Green/10 better. I also like Myles Turner better.