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Split T wrote:If we end up having to stretch him, I'd wait till at least next season. We don't need the cap space this year and cutting 14 million off the total salary will be quite beneficial if we do have to stretch him.
This.
It doesn't make sense to just cut him or stretch him now. Besides, he actually might be rehabitable and gain hos value back. Getting cap relief now does nothing, unless a big name free agent is the target and I'm opposed to giving up picks unless a clear end goal is determined. Just bad basketball decisions.
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It's addition by subtraction. If we're going to have a M*****f M****s situation with a toxic lockerroom and dysfunction, best to cut your losses, no?

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I don't think Brandon is like Markieff. If you sit down with him and have a solid plan in place to put him in the best situation to succeed that also helps the Suns, I think he will be good soldier. Part of the problem is that I'm sure he feels he is a high level starter in this league, and doesn't want to take a back seat to anyone. But to be that again, he is going to have to accept and embrace a role to build himself back up again. Unfortunately, I think he tried that last season and took his role to the extreme, where he though he was the microwave and only option when he got on the floor. He was shoot first, shoot second, and shoot the Suns out of the game, not take what they give you and build your efficiency. I also think he got too big, to improve his defense, for his body structure and it slowed him down and affected his shot in a way.
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In2ition wrote:I don't think Brandon is like M******f. If you sit down with him and have a solid plan in place to put him in the best situation to succeed that also helps the Suns, I think he will be good soldier. Part of the problem is that I'm sure he feels he is a high level starter in this league, and doesn't want to take a back seat to anyone. But to be that again, he is going to have to accept and embrace a role to build himself back up again. Unfortunately, I think he tried that last season and took his role to the extreme, where he though he was the microwave and only option when he got on the floor. He was shoot first, shoot second, and shoot the Suns out of the game, not take what they give you and build your efficiency. I also think he got too big, to improve his defense, for his body structure and it slowed him down and affected his shot in a way.
One can only hope that this is Morris pt 2 and I don't disagree with what you said but unfortunately my last memory is the story about his refusal to play / enter the game
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bajanguy008 wrote:
In2ition wrote:I don't think Brandon is like M******f. If you sit down with him and have a solid plan in place to put him in the best situation to succeed that also helps the Suns, I think he will be good soldier. Part of the problem is that I'm sure he feels he is a high level starter in this league, and doesn't want to take a back seat to anyone. But to be that again, he is going to have to accept and embrace a role to build himself back up again. Unfortunately, I think he tried that last season and took his role to the extreme, where he though he was the microwave and only option when he got on the floor. He was shoot first, shoot second, and shoot the Suns out of the game, not take what they give you and build your efficiency. I also think he got too big, to improve his defense, for his body structure and it slowed him down and affected his shot in a way.
One can only hope that this is Morris pt 2 and I don't disagree with what you said but unfortunately my last memory is the story about his refusal to play / enter the game
Honestly, I don't necessarily blame him for refusing to come back. He just started his off-season workouts, since they told him he was shut down for the rest of the year. I also don't blame him for being a little upset, since he thought he was going to be one of the main cornerstones of the franchise when he singed his contract. They kind of yanked his chain a bit. What he didn't take responsibility for was his own horrible play led to his reduced role over the season.
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In2ition wrote:
bajanguy008 wrote:
In2ition wrote:I don't think Brandon is like M******f. If you sit down with him and have a solid plan in place to put him in the best situation to succeed that also helps the Suns, I think he will be good soldier. Part of the problem is that I'm sure he feels he is a high level starter in this league, and doesn't want to take a back seat to anyone. But to be that again, he is going to have to accept and embrace a role to build himself back up again. Unfortunately, I think he tried that last season and took his role to the extreme, where he though he was the microwave and only option when he got on the floor. He was shoot first, shoot second, and shoot the Suns out of the game, not take what they give you and build your efficiency. I also think he got too big, to improve his defense, for his body structure and it slowed him down and affected his shot in a way.
One can only hope that this is Morris pt 2 and I don't disagree with what you said but unfortunately my last memory is the story about his refusal to play / enter the game
Honestly, I don't necessarily blame him for refusing to come back. He just started his off-season workouts, since they told him he was shut down for the rest of the year. I also don't blame him for being a little upset, since he thought he was going to be one of the main cornerstones of the franchise when he singed his contract. They kind of yanked his chain a bit. What he didn't take responsibility for was his own horrible play led to his reduced role over the season.
I think our handling of him is as much to blame as his for the whole situation.

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In2ition wrote:I don't think Brandon is like M******f. If you sit down with him and have a solid plan in place to put him in the best situation to succeed that also helps the Suns, I think he will be good soldier. Part of the problem is that I'm sure he feels he is a high level starter in this league, and doesn't want to take a back seat to anyone. But to be that again, he is going to have to accept and embrace a role to build himself back up again. Unfortunately, I think he tried that last season and took his role to the extreme, where he though he was the microwave and only option when he got on the floor. He was shoot first, shoot second, and shoot the Suns out of the game, not take what they give you and build your efficiency. I also think he got too big, to improve his defense, for his body structure and it slowed him down and affected his shot in a way.
It really depends on the personalities of all the players involved. If you sit Brandon down and tell him he is playing and here's how he can earn his minutes back, the yeah, maybe he would be happy. Maybe he doesn't hold a grudge about being benched and then asked to come back and help the team lose. But every guard on the roster outplayed him last season. Is Ulis going to be fine sitting? Even if he is, do we want to take Ulis' minutes and development away? Is the rest of the team going to be OK putting a guy back on the floor who hurt the team so badly last season? If Knight really does play better and we can win with him on the floor, then we are ok. But if he's not better, Booker / Chandler / Jackson are not going to be OK losing games with Knight killing us out there. If we play Bled / Knight / Booker again and take minutes from someone else, they are not going to be happy about that unless he is playing great. He would have to be MUCH better to earn back the trust of the team, IMHO.

And that's not even going into the PR ramifications of going into another season of poor player relations. We have got to rebuild our reputation as a franchise that treats people right.

It might work! Or we might have injuries that force him into the lineup! But I wouldn't risk it. I would try to dump him.

I think of it this way: I would have been willing to take Noah's contract to bring in KP. Similarly, I would be willing to take a hit on Knights contract to help the development of the team we have.
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Indy wrote:
ShelC wrote:Can we stretch Knight's contract?
I thought I read we can, but I don't get the feeling that the FO is there yet.
Split T wrote:If we end up having to stretch him, I'd wait till at least next season. We don't need the cap space this year and cutting 14 million off the total salary will be quite beneficial if we do have to stretch him.
If we stretch him enough, we can play him at center.
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Indy wrote:
In2ition wrote:
bajanguy008 wrote:
In2ition wrote:I don't think Brandon is like M******f. If you sit down with him and have a solid plan in place to put him in the best situation to succeed that also helps the Suns, I think he will be good soldier. Part of the problem is that I'm sure he feels he is a high level starter in this league, and doesn't want to take a back seat to anyone. But to be that again, he is going to have to accept and embrace a role to build himself back up again. Unfortunately, I think he tried that last season and took his role to the extreme, where he though he was the microwave and only option when he got on the floor. He was shoot first, shoot second, and shoot the Suns out of the game, not take what they give you and build your efficiency. I also think he got too big, to improve his defense, for his body structure and it slowed him down and affected his shot in a way.
One can only hope that this is Morris pt 2 and I don't disagree with what you said but unfortunately my last memory is the story about his refusal to play / enter the game
Honestly, I don't necessarily blame him for refusing to come back. He just started his off-season workouts, since they told him he was shut down for the rest of the year. I also don't blame him for being a little upset, since he thought he was going to be one of the main cornerstones of the franchise when he singed his contract. They kind of yanked his chain a bit. What he didn't take responsibility for was his own horrible play led to his reduced role over the season.
I think our handling of him is as much to blame as his for the whole situation.
How would you have handled him?
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Superbone wrote: If we stretch him enough, we can play him at center.
6/10. Solid effort.
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Superbone wrote:If we stretch him enough, we can play him at center.
That joke is a stretch!! ;-)

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Superbone wrote:
Indy wrote:
In2ition wrote:
bajanguy008 wrote:
In2ition wrote:I don't think Brandon is like M******f. If you sit down with him and have a solid plan in place to put him in the best situation to succeed that also helps the Suns, I think he will be good soldier. Part of the problem is that I'm sure he feels he is a high level starter in this league, and doesn't want to take a back seat to anyone. But to be that again, he is going to have to accept and embrace a role to build himself back up again. Unfortunately, I think he tried that last season and took his role to the extreme, where he though he was the microwave and only option when he got on the floor. He was shoot first, shoot second, and shoot the Suns out of the game, not take what they give you and build your efficiency. I also think he got too big, to improve his defense, for his body structure and it slowed him down and affected his shot in a way.
One can only hope that this is Morris pt 2 and I don't disagree with what you said but unfortunately my last memory is the story about his refusal to play / enter the game
Honestly, I don't necessarily blame him for refusing to come back. He just started his off-season workouts, since they told him he was shut down for the rest of the year. I also don't blame him for being a little upset, since he thought he was going to be one of the main cornerstones of the franchise when he singed his contract. They kind of yanked his chain a bit. What he didn't take responsibility for was his own horrible play led to his reduced role over the season.
I think our handling of him is as much to blame as his for the whole situation.
How would you have handled him?
Not sign a guy to 14M/year to be your starting PG (or 2nd starting PG :roll:) where he has played his entire life, then immediately change that to asking him to be microwave off the bench (and tout him as potentially the best at that in the league), but then bitch he isn't playing PG enough in his limited minutes where you asked him to be a microwave.

I fully admit that he sucked at the roll we asked him to play, but we asked him to do something different than he has ever done in his life, and when it turns out he wasn't good at it, we put all the blame squarely on him and told him "we don't even want you to play anymore" ... until we did, with no notice. We dicked him around just as much as he shit the bed on the court.

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carey wrote:
Superbone wrote: If we stretch him enough, we can play him at center.
6/10. Solid effort.
I've been told a solid 6 is just fine.
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Indy wrote:
Superbone wrote:
Indy wrote:
In2ition wrote:
bajanguy008 wrote:
One can only hope that this is Morris pt 2 and I don't disagree with what you said but unfortunately my last memory is the story about his refusal to play / enter the game
Honestly, I don't necessarily blame him for refusing to come back. He just started his off-season workouts, since they told him he was shut down for the rest of the year. I also don't blame him for being a little upset, since he thought he was going to be one of the main cornerstones of the franchise when he singed his contract. They kind of yanked his chain a bit. What he didn't take responsibility for was his own horrible play led to his reduced role over the season.
I think our handling of him is as much to blame as his for the whole situation.
How would you have handled him?
Not sign a guy to 14M/year to be your starting PG (or 2nd starting PG :roll:) where he has played his entire life, then immediately change that to asking him to be microwave off the bench (and tout him as potentially the best at that in the league), but then bitch he isn't playing PG enough in his limited minutes where you asked him to be a microwave.

I fully admit that he sucked at the roll we asked him to play, but we asked him to do something different than he has ever done in his life, and when it turns out he wasn't good at it, we put all the blame squarely on him and told him "we don't even want you to play anymore" ... until we did, with no notice. We dicked him around just as much as he s*** the bed on the court.
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https://twitter.com/DougHaller/status/879807536848789504 Len and Big Sauce are now restricted free agents.
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carey wrote:https://twitter.com/DougHaller/status/879807536848789504 Len and Big Sauce are now restricted free agents.
We kinda had to do that. No benefit not to.

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https://twitter.com/Suns/status/879846399226945536

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Just came to post that. What the heck Jared. Out 4 months? How'd you hurt yourself in the offseason?
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carey wrote:Just came to post that. What the heck Jared. Out 4 months? How'd you hurt yourself in the offseason?
As Shaq once said, the offseason is his time. ;)
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Well, that helps with the logjam.
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