Off-season Plans

[Split T]

We don’t have SGA though…I think SGA is one of the 2 best guards since MJ

Obviously not. Only one team does. Doesn't mean their makeup and strategies don't work.

Well you can’t have the OKC makeup without SGA…he’s one of a kind. Booker can’t replicate him. That’s my point.

Agree to disagree. And I didn't say Book could replicate him.

Ok, I obviously don’t understand what you mean then. What is it about OKC that you want to copy?

[Mori Chu]

Remember when Googs almost died on the team bus?

Man, there have been few Suns acquisitions more disappointing than Tom Gugliotta. He had been averaging 20+ ppg for Minnesota for a few years before we got him. His first year with us, he averages 17 ppg; the next year, 13.7 ppg; the next, 6.4 ppg. Such a rapid decline. We signed him to fill the hole after Antonio McDyess ditched us and went back to the Nuggets. He paled in comparison. Sad times.

[The Bobster]

Jerry Colangelo was very good about not falling in love with his players. Only three long-time Suns finished their careers here - Dick Van Arsdale, Alvan Adams and Kevin Johnson. Hey traded Connie Hawkins, Paul Silas, Paul Westphal, Charlie Scott, Dennis Johnson, Truck Robinson and Larry Nance.

There's going to be a time to trade Durant and Booker, and they have to be willing to pull the trigger when that time comes.

Add Nash to this list of players he traded.

Bryan was GM then.

[The Bobster]

Only three long-time Suns finished their careers here - Dick Van Arsdale, Alvan Adams and Kevin Johnson.

Technically speaking, Dan Majerle.

And Joe Proski. You didn’t say players.

Majerle (and Westphal) were both traded away however and just brought back for a victory lap.

And Googs. By the time he left us, his career was finished.

Goods was signed after Bryan took over as GM. And Randy Livingston had a lot to do with his decline.

[SunsShine]

Book needs a big who plays like a big. He needs a Pau to his Kobe. KD is essentially a 7ft SG. But Book needs a true PG who can run a team and a legit 2way big. Fill in the rest with athletic defenders and shooters. Easier said than done, but that's the model IMO.

Is there any way to swap rosters with Cleveland with Booker and Mitchell being the two exceptions?

[Cap]

Book needs a big who plays like a big. He needs a Pau to his Kobe. KD is essentially a 7ft SG. But Book needs a true PG who can run a team and a legit 2way big. Fill in the rest with athletic defenders and shooters. Easier said than done, but that's the model IMO.

Is there any way to swap rosters with Cleveland with Booker and Mitchell being the two exceptions?

Didn’t the Celtics and Braves/Clippers do that once? Swapped coaches and trainers and everything else too.

[Mori Chu]

How about those two baseball players who swapped wives in the '70s?

[Cap]

How about those two baseball players who swapped wives in the '70s?

We’re talking about swapping players, not swapping wives.

How about those two wives who swapped players in the '70s?

[Superbone]

We don’t have SGA though…I think SGA is one of the 2 best guards since MJ

Obviously not. Only one team does. Doesn't mean their makeup and strategies don't work.

Well you can’t have the OKC makeup without SGA…he’s one of a kind. Booker can’t replicate him. That’s my point.

Agree to disagree. And I didn't say Book could replicate him.

Ok, I obviously don’t understand what you mean then. What is it about OKC that you want to copy?

Mostly their defense and player types (athletic hustlers).

[Cap]

Obviously not. Only one team does. Doesn't mean their makeup and strategies don't work.

Well you can’t have the OKC makeup without SGA…he’s one of a kind. Booker can’t replicate him. That’s my point.

Agree to disagree. And I didn't say Book could replicate him.

Ok, I obviously don’t understand what you mean then. What is it about OKC that you want to copy?

Mostly their defense and player types (athletic hustlers).

The Dan Majerle Hustle Award this year goes to… Dunn?

[Superbone]

Well you can’t have the OKC makeup without SGA…he’s one of a kind. Booker can’t replicate him. That’s my point.

Agree to disagree. And I didn't say Book could replicate him.

Ok, I obviously don’t understand what you mean then. What is it about OKC that you want to copy?

Mostly their defense and player types (athletic hustlers).

The Dan Majerle Hustle Award this year goes to… Dunn?

I could have told you that a month or more ago.

[The Bobster]

Book needs a big who plays like a big. He needs a Pau to his Kobe. KD is essentially a 7ft SG. But Book needs a true PG who can run a team and a legit 2way big. Fill in the rest with athletic defenders and shooters. Easier said than done, but that's the model IMO.

Is there any way to swap rosters with Cleveland with Booker and Mitchell being the two exceptions?

Didn’t the Celtics and Braves/Clippers do that once? Swapped coaches and trainers and everything else too.

Technically the Celtics (owned by Irv Levin) moved to San Diego and Braves owner (John Y. Brown) took his team to Boston. Then they reshuffled their players.

Boston kept their draft picks (including Larry Bird, Freeman Williams and Jeff Judkins), Buffalo kept theirs (including Jerome Whitehead and Stan Pietkiewicz)

Boston then traded Kevin Kunnert, Kermit Washington, Sidney Wicks and the draft rights to Williams to San Diego for Nate Archibald, Billy Knight, a 1981 second round draft choice [Danny Ainge] and a 1983 second round draft choice [Rod Foster]

Buffalo had coaching vacancies that they took to San Diego, hiring Gene Shue. Tom Sanders, who had replaced Tom Heinsohn during the 1977-78 season stayed in Boston as coach. San Diego owner Irv Levin hired a new front office in San Diego and the Boston front office (including Red Auerbach) stayed in place for Brown's "new Celtics".

[Flagrant Fowl]

Just trade KD in the Summer. I prefer young players to draft picks but both would be nice.

[INFORMER]

I will also give Jeremy his flowers. As frustrating as Ayton is, the trade didn't work out. We'd be better off having kept Ayton and Camara.

Ayton was getting traded no matter what. He was done here. Instead of Nurk being traded today, it would have been Ayton and a 1st being sent out, and the return may have been even worse.

The Ayton trade was bad because Jones is a bad negotiator, always has been. It was a bad trade because we gave up Camara, not because we traded Ayton.

[JeremyG]

Book needs a big who plays like a big. He needs a Pau to his Kobe. KD is essentially a 7ft SG. But Book needs a true PG who can run a team and a legit 2way big. Fill in the rest with athletic defenders and shooters. Easier said than done, but that's the model IMO.

Is there any way to swap rosters with Cleveland with Booker and Mitchell being the two exceptions?

Didn’t the Celtics and Braves/Clippers do that once? Swapped coaches and trainers and everything else too.

Technically the Celtics (owned by Irv Levin) moved to San Diego and Braves owner (John Y. Brown) took his team to Boston. Then they reshuffled their players.

Boston kept their draft picks (including Larry Bird, Freeman Williams and Jeff Judkins), Buffalo kept theirs (including Jerome Whitehead and Stan Pietkiewicz)

Boston then traded Kevin Kunnert, Kermit Washington, Sidney Wicks and the draft rights to Williams to San Diego for Nate Archibald, Billy Knight, a 1981 second round draft choice [Danny Ainge] and a 1983 second round draft choice [Rod Foster]

Buffalo had coaching vacancies that they took to San Diego, hiring Gene Shue. Tom Sanders, who had replaced Tom Heinsohn during the 1977-78 season stayed in Boston as coach. San Diego owner Irv Levin hired a new front office in San Diego and the Boston front office (including Red Auerbach) stayed in place for Brown's "new Celtics".

Wow, I had no idea the Celtics technically became the Clippers.

https://archive.nytimes.com/offthedribb ... e-celtics/

[Cap]

Book needs a big who plays like a big. He needs a Pau to his Kobe. KD is essentially a 7ft SG. But Book needs a true PG who can run a team and a legit 2way big. Fill in the rest with athletic defenders and shooters. Easier said than done, but that's the model IMO.

Is there any way to swap rosters with Cleveland with Booker and Mitchell being the two exceptions?

Didn’t the Celtics and Braves/Clippers do that once? Swapped coaches and trainers and everything else too.

Technically the Celtics (owned by Irv Levin) moved to San Diego and Braves owner (John Y. Brown) took his team to Boston. Then they reshuffled their players.

Boston kept their draft picks (including Larry Bird, Freeman Williams and Jeff Judkins), Buffalo kept theirs (including Jerome Whitehead and Stan Pietkiewicz)

Boston then traded Kevin Kunnert, Kermit Washington, Sidney Wicks and the draft rights to Williams to San Diego for Nate Archibald, Billy Knight, a 1981 second round draft choice [Danny Ainge] and a 1983 second round draft choice [Rod Foster]

Buffalo had coaching vacancies that they took to San Diego, hiring Gene Shue. Tom Sanders, who had replaced Tom Heinsohn during the 1977-78 season stayed in Boston as coach. San Diego owner Irv Levin hired a new front office in San Diego and the Boston front office (including Red Auerbach) stayed in place for Brown's "new Celtics".

Wow, I had no idea the Celtics technically became the Clippers.

https://archive.nytimes.com/offthedribb ... e-celtics/

The Clippers should have banners in the rafters and Havlicek's number retired.

At least they retired Russell's number. That's a start.

[Maldonado]

Book needs a big who plays like a big. He needs a Pau to his Kobe. KD is essentially a 7ft SG. But Book needs a true PG who can run a team and a legit 2way big. Fill in the rest with athletic defenders and shooters. Easier said than done, but that's the model IMO.

Is there any way to swap rosters with Cleveland with Booker and Mitchell being the two exceptions?

Didn’t the Celtics and Braves/Clippers do that once? Swapped coaches and trainers and everything else too.

Technically the Celtics (owned by Irv Levin) moved to San Diego and Braves owner (John Y. Brown) took his team to Boston. Then they reshuffled their players.

Boston kept their draft picks (including Larry Bird, Freeman Williams and Jeff Judkins), Buffalo kept theirs (including Jerome Whitehead and Stan Pietkiewicz)

Boston then traded Kevin Kunnert, Kermit Washington, Sidney Wicks and the draft rights to Williams to San Diego for Nate Archibald, Billy Knight, a 1981 second round draft choice [Danny Ainge] and a 1983 second round draft choice [Rod Foster]

Buffalo had coaching vacancies that they took to San Diego, hiring Gene Shue. Tom Sanders, who had replaced Tom Heinsohn during the 1977-78 season stayed in Boston as coach. San Diego owner Irv Levin hired a new front office in San Diego and the Boston front office (including Red Auerbach) stayed in place for Brown's "new Celtics".

Wow, I had no idea the Celtics technically became the Clippers.

https://archive.nytimes.com/offthedribb ... e-celtics/

Fascinating, I had no idea.

[Flagrant Fowl]

I'm not advising it, but if I were ever looking to trade Booker this summer, my first call would be to Detroit.

A lot of things align there and I think they'd be willing to give up more than most other teams.

Toby Harris would probably have to be in the deal for his contract. After that I'd try to get 3/4 of Duren, Ivey, Holland and Thompson. I'd settle for 2/4 of them but would push for more draft assets in that case.

[pickle]

So try to get both Thompson twins?

[Superbone]

Well, it'll be an interesting off-season for sure. Booker is not getting traded the season after he set the franchise scoring record, sorry. The million dollar question is what we do with KD. Do we get as much as we can for him? Or do we go the other direction and extend him? If the Suns do what they said they'd do and evaluate the rest of the season and we don't get past the first round, it would be malpractice to not trade him.